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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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compscistd wrote: post #277
pubby wrote: post #67

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Hey Nat glad to see you here. A few days ago one of the biggest team collaborative games (Space Station 13) got banned on GitHub without a public explanation from GitHub staff, but some suspect it was because the code contained bad words and slurs. Do you know if this is why the project was banned, and will these new private team repos be subject to the same terms/rules?

If it was the bad words/slurs, could that have been resolved by hiding them behind some basic string manipulation (ex. a caesar cipher)? I can see how GitHub wouldn't want a public repo to have objectionable words, but can't imagine the harm from obfuscating stored copy.

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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by tjpnz »

compscistd wrote: post #277
pubby wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Nat glad to see you here. A few days ago one of the biggest team collaborative games (Space Station 13) got banned on GitHub without a public explanation from GitHub staff, but some suspect it was because the code contained bad words and slurs. Do you know if this is why the project was banned, and will these new private team repos be subject to the same terms/rules?

If it was the bad words/slurs, could that have been resolved by hiding them behind some basic string manipulation (ex. a caesar cipher)? I can see how GitHub wouldn't want a public repo to have objectionable words, but can't imagine the harm from obfuscating stored copy.

If that's official GitHub policy it's both unworkable and exceedingly ignorant of how people use the English language outside of the US. GitHub should have no business telling people how to write their source files.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by foota »

momokoko wrote: post #539
oaiey wrote: post #301

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While Amazon tried to go into the private hosting and ci/cd market, they are not a dev tool company. Microsoft was born as one. When Amazon or Google would buy GitLab they would meaningless integrate it, reduce staff by half and then ruin it over time. Maybe when Microsoft would have opened up some years earlier, Codeplex would not share the fate of Google Cloud.

The marketing team from Microsoft here on HN is amazing. The work you all have been putting in for the last year+ is amazing. It all started with VS Code and has since fanned out into a massive influence. I'd be super curious to see the metrics on ROI with the HN presence.

Are you trying to imply the person above is a microsoft marketing person or something?

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by ss3000 »

natfriedman wrote: post #26

Hi HN, I'm the CEO of GitHub. Everyone at GitHub is really excited about this announcement, and I'm happy to answer any questions. We've wanted to make this change for the last 18 months, but needed our Enterprise business to be big enough to enable the free use of GitHub by the rest of the world. I'm happy to say that it's grown dramatically in the last year, and so we're able to make GitHub free for teams that don'…

Can you explain what happened to Atom development?

I've seen numerous posts noting the sharp decline in contribution soon after the acquisition was announced.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22601451

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21142934

Without an official explanation, given the timing, it'd be reasonable to assume you pulled development resources away from it, the exact thing you actually went on Reddit to claim you wouldn't do:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8pc8mf/im_nat_friedman...

P.S. I've observed that these kinds of posts tend to turn into a place where people shit on Atom in favor of _insert preferred other editor here_. Feel free to do that here too, but just note that I'm not going to be obliged to engage since it's completely orthogonal to the topic at hand. I think any remaining Atom users at this point are likely already painfully aware that Atom has long since lost the war in developer mindshare, but don't let that stop you from pouring salt on the wound.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by chairmanwow1 »

nrr wrote: post #451
sytelus wrote: post #431

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No, it’s not fair. Banning a repo should be taken as seriously as banning a book. Living in a country that is US where github HQ is hosted, freedom of speech should be prized and cared for dearly. For a commercial company, there should be only one reason to ban a repo and that is to abide with a law. For even that company should do everything in its power to prevent that or provide a viable lawful alternative. This s…

I appreciate the idealism here, but the reality is that trying to run a business under the pretense of free speech absolutism can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment. With the loss of that market segment likely comes the grumbling of investors, to whom ultimately the executive management is beholden. Grumbly investors beget grumbly board members, who then vote to oust executives to correct the profitabili…

I think this is the most sensible answer here. My sibling comments are attempting to draw analogies to other types of censorship of minority groups which don't strike me as apt.

IMO you correctly summarized the forces they are dealing with. These people are just trying to make money. Idealism is problematic for the people invested in the company that aren't there for idealism, but money.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by chairmanwow1 »

manigandham wrote: post #206
cjdu wrote: post #112

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Agreed. I cannot believe that GCP and AWS are so asleep at the wheel either. If I were them I would literally be throwing money at some of the GitHub folks to have them fix AWS or GCP. And it was should have been rather obvious when GitHub released the beta of Actions a few years ago. Actions remains the most important thing GitHub has done, ever, in my opinion. It might take a few more years for people to fully real…

There are dozens of CI/CD offerings and many are better designed than Github actions, including Gitlab's CI runners. I don't see what paying Github would do for AWS or GCP. They both have their own code repos, build pipelines, container registries, and more. Even Azure has its own DevOps product.

It's all about the ease of use. Manually setting up CI/CD is _hard_ and requires a team to maintain and support it. Whether through a home-rolled Jenkins deployment or Buildkite.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by spiderfarmer »

ss3000 wrote: post #554
natfriedman wrote: post #26

Hi HN, I'm the CEO of GitHub. Everyone at GitHub is really excited about this announcement, and I'm happy to answer any questions. We've wanted to make this change for the last 18 months, but needed our Enterprise business to be big enough to enable the free use of GitHub by the rest of the world. I'm happy to say that it's grown dramatically in the last year, and so we're able to make GitHub free for teams that don'…

Can you explain what happened to Atom development? I've seen numerous posts noting the sharp decline in contribution soon after the acquisition was announced. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22601451 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21142934 Without an official explanation, given the timing, it'd be reasonable to assume you pulled development resources away from it, the exact thing you actually went on Reddi…

I gave up on Atom this month because of the lack of development. Too bad really.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by sitkack »

koheripbal wrote: post #331
m0xte wrote: post #319

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Big companies like Microsoft and Google like to burn products with little notice too.

...and small companies go under or radically morph their products. There's this irrational demand vocal on social media that large corporations keep their products forever.

Sears is doing it!

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by kyawzazaw »

Nullabillity wrote: post #296
thaumaturgy wrote: post #208

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C'mon, that's an unnecessarily cynical take. The offers in the student pack are here: https://education.github.com/pack You can see that there's a lot of overlap and that these offers cover very broad sections of the industry. This gives students the opportunity to explore and develop immediately employable skillsets without impacting their already limited budgets.

> You can see that there's a lot of overlap and that these offers cover very broad sections of the industry. True, but that applies as much to their $200k figure. > This gives students the opportunity to explore and develop immediately employable skillsets without impacting their already limited budgets. The stuff that's worth using has free or cheaper alternatives anyway.

As a student, I am hoping the company that I will work for later will pay for it.

At the same time, I am also aware of free and cheaper alternatives for some of the options there.

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