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Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

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Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

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I was working from home before the virus. The difference for me now is that my other colleagues work from home too. The quality of our meetings has improved, and I feel that I'm on a more even playing field now (in term of evaluation for instance). It's great. I'm also collaborating more closely with some colleagues with whom I had little interaction before. That being said, working from home is not for everyone. Not…

> That being said, working from home is not for everyone.

Actually, even work (in any particular set of circumstances) is not for everyone. And still, people do manage.

For example, open offices are not for everyone. Yet they do happen.

Imagine, if at your future employer, you could simply decide whether you want to WfH or not. And they would plan the office accordingly. They would rent less space. Why not give people the freedom?

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

#52
People used to all work from home. If you read a bit of economic history, it seems that working in an office or a factory is a rather recent invention, only a few hundred years old.

Prior to that there was something called the "putting-out" system, where you'd sew some clothes or whatever and put it outside for someone to collect. And they'd leave you some raw materials.

I'm also of the WFH persuasion, but I'm unsure whether it's great for people who are starting their career.

For experienced people, they already know what the business is about, they are more likely to have kids and need a longer commute from the suburbs.

For people on their first job there's a lot of informal learning that happens in the workplace. You run into more people randomly at a traditional office, and you learn more about what exactly your role is.

What would probably make sense is for businesses to get more relaxed about whether you actually come into the office. If there's no meetings or requirements to get immediate feedback on a given day, why make people sit on a train for an hour?

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

#53

Don’t people miss social interaction? I don’t understand how these articles are written. As a single man living on my own, this lockdown has made it pretty lonely.

> Don’t people miss social interaction?

I really don't... could spend a year without seeing anyone in person. I am married and absolutely enjoy my wife's company, but looking back at my life I've often enjoyed just being alone. It's so peaceful, I can't understand why people dislike it so much.

I definitely miss some people – mostly my parents. But I don't really need my coworkers in my life, even if they are great people

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

#54
I've worked from home since 2001, except for a brief 2 year stint at Google. I think I'm far more productive at home because I have:

- An office, with a door I can close

This was going to be a big list, but I actually think that just about sums it up. The cube environment at Google was utterly intolerable, and made it hard to concentrate. It didn't help that the guys in another group next to us had a game where they flew rc drones around for fun, or the folks on the other side of my group that were always discussing food, or the loud door to a lab behind my desk that was constantly slamming, etc, or just the constant stream of people walking by my cube.

At home I have a door that I can close. I can think. So I get a lot more done.

I'm not saying all office environments were terrible. Before 2001, I worked doing research at a University and I had a fantastic office with a door. I think I was just as productive there as I was at home. Because, again, distractions were minimal.

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

#55
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time for a lifestyle change I suppose.

I have friends and hobbies outside of work, but I still miss my "work friends". If you're going to be somewhere for ~8 hours a day, I find it's nice to have some company.

Yeah, and while one's "work friends" may not be the perfect kind of friends (otherwise they tend to migrate to being "regular friends", no?), they have on important property to me: they're around during work and they punctuate work with social/human interactions. Sometimes those interactions are annoying and disrupting, but my god I'm realizing how incredibly important they are.

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

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post #45

I heard on WFH opinions there are two groups of people, one that think this will usher in a new age of productive freedom working from home never having to commute again, and the group with kids.

I should add our juniors are getting screwed. Usually we spend a lot of time training and coaching, now at home they're mostly ignored. I think our intern class is going to get cancelled too.

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

#57

Don’t people miss social interaction? I don’t understand how these articles are written. As a single man living on my own, this lockdown has made it pretty lonely.

Overall social interaction or in-office social interaction or specifically with your coworkers?

As WFH for over a decade:

- overall social interaction is fixed by hobby groups, going out with friends and/or SO (either post-hours or for lunch) etc

- in office social interaction can be fixed by working out of coworking space. Not my cup of tea and I do enjoy silence, but it works for those who want it. Podcast over headphones may be good enough for some too.

- interaction with coworkers over online is fine IMO. Especially if you get to see them IRL once in a while. It may feel weird at first to just talk crap for 10 or 20 minutes before/after conference call. Random calls just to talk both work and life might feel out of place at first. But on the other hand that's what people do at office, eh?

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

#58

I'm anticipating that most HNers prompted to comment here will be those thinking this unlikely or wrong or whatever. Every time something positive about remote working is on HN, only those opposing it seem to comment... So, anyway, here's my vote in favour of remote working! I've worked from home for the last 10 years straight, and two years in the decade before that. Working from home has always been best for me. Hi…

> I'm anticipating that most HNers prompted to comment here will be those thinking this unlikely or wrong or whatever.

On the contrary, this seems like the most honest take on the topic of remote work preferences.

The headline says that 50% of Americans prefer working from home. That suggests that 50% prefer working from the office or aren't sure yet.

In other words: Some people like to work from home. Some people don't. That's the point that many of us have been trying to make all along.

When quarantining started, a lot of the WFH advocates came out of the woodwork and declared an early victory for WFH. There was an influx of hot takes that office spaces would be closed forever once people saw the benefits of WFH. They all ignored half of the population who really does not benefit from working from home.

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

#59
post #16

> Half of all Americans want to continue working from home following the coronavirus That is a VERY rough (actually false) sentance, considering they have only surveyed ~500 Americans out of 205'950'000+ population at working age. > We surveyed over 500 Americans...

You should look up polling theory. You don't need to talk to every member of a population, only a representative sample.

Therein lies the rub. Determining a representative sample is far more complex than most pollsters would like to admit.

Re: Half of American workers would rather work from home forever: poll

#60
post #19

No wonder given that the daily commute is both mentally and physically taxing for most. I've been working remotely since 2015 and have already decided to settle in a perhaps less attractive, but definitely cheaper neighbourhood so that I could have some office space in the house. In the long run it's probably going to cost as much as the sum total of fuel and vehicles used over the years, but the main benefit is not…

The big problem I've run into being remote is that while I can live anywhere and would totally fine living farther away from the bigish city I live near, my partner works in a field that determines that we live close to a major university and I'd feel like an ass for having 0 commute while she has to drive 45 minutes just because we could get more house/land/whatever farther away from the city.

Wouldn’t this problem be even harder to deal with if you didn’t work remotely? You only need to plan for the radius of one person’s commute rather than limiting your housing options to a balance of two locations.
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