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Yeah, sorry, I went for name recognition rather than accuracy or precision. You make very good points.
Fair, and thank you! Fwiw, I'd have aimed the shot at the 2003 Battlestar Galactica instead, where it is very much deserved. Wild that Ronald Moore, who wrote so much of what's best in TNG, could also produce something that's so grim for the sake of grimness...
A (possible) solution to Covid-19
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Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19
#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
The spore drive is a correctly-formatted and notarized petition to Juffo-Wup. The flash does not originate at Discovery and propagate outward as light, but begins before the ship appears, from a diffuse source, constructively interferes at Discovery's normal-spacetime discontinuity, and generates a holographic illusion between the observer and the nebula that just appears to be a flashbulb reflection. Every Star Trek…
> Discovery and Picard are very much darker than pure Roddenberry, in that they portray The Federation as something far short of a perfectly ethical Utopia. Every Star Trek series does that. TOS and TNG tend to portray the focal crew as perfectly ethical taken together (though not always individually), but often as being in antagonistic relationship with their superiors in Starfleet and/or the civilian leadership of…
Related to that is the baseline assumption of competence. Characters in Star Trek, especially ones from the Federation, were always assumed to be extremely competent and good at working together; everyone valued excellence. Sure, they were exceptions, but they were that - exceptions, around which a story or a joke could be built. I miss that world of excellence in other shows.
Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19
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Perhaps I’ve missed something in your argument then. I’d need to understand exactly how you are planning to promote the spread of the attenuated form. If you’re talking about a “sequencing driven” Pox party [1] then I suspect you will run into issues. Particularly if you were to say that the Pox party will infect you with an attenuated form of the virus and vaccinate. Both the diagnostic (sequencing or otherwise) and…
I am not planning on doing anything other than trying to look for the attenuated strain. How it is used is for others - what I am suggesting is once such a strain is found is it will be impossible to stop people spreading it around on their own.
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> In my opinion, this is a decision that allows for a far wider range of character development. This may be the core disagreement, I (and I'm guessing GP) don't like this decision. Star Trek was an unique word in sci-fi (at least on-screen sci-fi) because of that bright idealism, that utopia. "An imperfect Starfleet can employ a monstrous starship captain that murders to keep its secrets"[0], and done regularly, this…
> Star Trek was an unique word in sci-fi (at least on-screen sci-fi) because of that bright idealism, that utopia. What utopia? Outside of the crew of the Enterprise itself in TOS and TNG (most of the time, when not under malevolent outside influence, abd even then there are some exceptions), neither Starfleet, the Federation outside of Starfleet, nor the galaxy outside of the Federation (in roughly descending order…
> While, as noted above, it's flawed even then, it really doesn't work for DS9, VOY, or ENT.
Compared to what? Relative to pretty much every other show, I think it worked really well. The baseline is still visibly much more idealistic than everything else (including post-ENT Star Trek).
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> In my opinion, this is a decision that allows for a far wider range of character development. This may be the core disagreement, I (and I'm guessing GP) don't like this decision. Star Trek was an unique word in sci-fi (at least on-screen sci-fi) because of that bright idealism, that utopia. "An imperfect Starfleet can employ a monstrous starship captain that murders to keep its secrets"[0], and done regularly, this…
ENT was pretty dark, too, you know. If we're not going to talk about "In the Pale Moonlight"'s argument that violating an ideal in a small way might be justifiable, if not respectable, to preserve it in the large, then can we talk about how Archer, in "Dear Doctor", refused to hand over the cure Phlox had developed for the Valakian plague, thus consigning an entire species to extinction, because the then-inchoate Pri…
I mean, it's like TNG was #EEE, ENT went down to #AAA, but everyone else (including post-ENT Trek) seems to be made at #555 or below. There's a gap, and I'd love if someone was making more idealistic shows these days.
> where you see the Federation portrayed as a true utopia, I don't.
I used to, then I rewatched the whole series as an adult and it changed my mind a bit. But then, I probably used the wrong word. I don't see the Federation as a perfect, flawless utopia. Just a vision of a world as close to utopian as you can get without breaking your suspension of disbelief. A world that works much better than the real one, and not just because of matter replicators and near-infinite energy availability. A word where the baseline for humans is much higher than it is now. And maybe it's unrealistic, it's too out-there, but every time I watch it I feel inspired to do better, be better. It's not something I usually get from other shows; they're all too focused on.
> than to take them as a stepping-off point for a discussion of how utopian ideals are no less susceptible to failure in practice than any other sort of absolutism, and how, while idealism is certainly not lacking in value, it cannot alone serve as the foundation for a mature sense of morality
That's fair, but again - while I love talking about this, I think our media culture spends too much time talking about all the ways ideals fail and high standards don't work, and too little time about what good ideals or values could be and how to make them work.
There's a certain positivity about TNG-era Star Trek that I feel, that I try to refer to, but continuously fail to express in words.
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And I forgot one thing: the curiosity of space, the exploration angle. I know that a lot of astronomy in Star Trek is bunk, and a lot of what was accurate at the time of filming didn't age well, but there was a way in which TOS and TNG made people curious about space. I got similar vibes from a few StarGate: SG-1 episodes as well. I don't see any of that in modern shows - just as if familiarity with real and sci-fi astronomy was table stakes these days. It works for me, but I wonder how the young audience, not exposed to TOS/TNG, responds to modern shows.
Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19
#508The author doesn't address how widespread the testing would need to be to accomplish this. What sample size is needed? Does it need to be geographically diverse? Does the human population tested need to be genetically diverse? Also: Why is this faster than other methods of vaccine development already underway? Once developed, wide-scale manufacture & deployment is an enormous logistical challenge completely separate…
I actually do address the numbers needed in the post. Yes you would want to sample as widely as possible in the ideal world, but more important is just getting the right samples. The reason why this would be faster is the process of looking for the strain and identifying it as safe would generate data that would allow the regulatory authorities to approve its use. Manufacturing would not be the limiting factor here.
Your background also does not appear to contain detailed experience within the manufacturing and deployment side of vaccines, so I hope you'll forgive me if your lack detail on that end isn't mitigated by simply saying "Manufacturing would not be the limiting factor here" without further explanation.
You say you'd like to get this proposal in front of influential people, but why would Bill Gates assume the logistics are fine, not a problem, without you specifically addressing the issue?
And if I can't get answers to the questions I've raised after 1 full reading, one slightly faster reading, and an exchange with the author himself, then if I were a person of any influence I would not devote limited time to this proposal. Presumably you posted here to get such attention. Presumably you would engage a bit more and answer in greater detail if you knew I were someone who could help advance this in some way. (I'm not-- I have access to researchers in academe but no influence) But I don't see you getting the attention needed, not without a proposal that moves beyond the R&D phase in significant detail
Personally I find the lack of logistical details beyond the R&D and sequencing side of things indicate that your own business interests have you focusing on that end of the project to the detriment of other factors that need to be taken into consideration. Please note that I'm not saying you're doing this for the money: Only that your current area of professional endeavor is the area of the problem where you have focused your proposal, and the areas where it's lacking are not bolstered by your simple assertion of "they are are not a problem."
You have posted to an audience that is not automatically going to know how your R&D could be logistically deployed, but also an audience that knows ideas are easy, and execution is hard. If you wish to have your proposal widely accepted here, if you wish people here with connections to those who could influence anything, these are things you need to address.
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Isn't this why there is a 1918-related flu outbreak every generation and why bubonic plauge used to recurved every generation because there aren't immune?
I think bubonic plague is bacterial, and was solved with antibiotics.
Also, we never "solved" the plauge, but it died down a lot before antibiotics were even a thing.
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This was the UK government's plan until they realised just how many people would die as a result.
Thats false. The UK's plan was to not quarantine ANYone. The young are basically immune to this. I'm saying quarantine the vulnerable populations and let the healthy populations out.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11191245/who-self-isolate-coro...
> Government guidance is that people who are over 70, have an underlying health condition or are pregnant, are strongly advised to limit social interaction