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The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by pas »

_-___________-_ wrote: post #79
DanBC wrote: post #21

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> A positive test is not even necessary to report them as Covid-19 deaths in the US. But this applies to other forms of death. We count flu deaths in the same way, so the data is equally skewed. > > > COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. People can only put it on the death certificate if they can make that…

> We count flu deaths in the same way, so the data is equally skewed. We actually don't, because flu is not routinely tested for the way that COVID-19 currently is among suspected cases.

I think the comment claims that both flu and corona deaths are assigned almost solely based on symptoms and medical history (eg. if someone comes in with a fever, develops a pneumonia and dies then they look at signs to tell apart the diseases - did the patient have runny nose and joint aches? yes? then flu. no? but had shortness of breath? corona.)

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by Lewton »

iso1631 wrote: post #75
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #4

From the disclaimer: COVID-19 data is the number of ACTUAL US deaths since March 15th, 2020 as reported on Worldometer against the backdrop of the EXTRAPOLATED DAILY number of deaths for top 15 causes of death in the US based on the latest (2018) data from the CDC.

And crucially ignores the reduction in deaths from heart failure, road traffic, etc. at this time

Heart failure sure

but road traffic related deaths? Really? COVID-19 is not causing a decrease in road traffic deaths, the reaction to COVID-19 is. So, why would that data ever be relevant when talking about the disease?

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by 2008guy »

verytrivial wrote: post #111
2008guy wrote: post #44

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Actually the “flu bro” crowd has some really good points. For me, it’s impossible to ignore the inconsistency. Imagine tens of thousands of people standing before you before they perish gruesomely. These people who died of preventable things other than covid 19, are ignored by society — nobody cares. You aren’t considered a murderer for going to work with the flu (but you technically are) and you aren’t considered ir…

> I think hospitals should maintain enough capacity to handle influx. Ooo, you're sooooo close to understanding the problem. Keep at it!

You don’t understand anything, twit.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by iso1631 »

Lewton wrote: post #132
iso1631 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And crucially ignores the reduction in deaths from heart failure, road traffic, etc. at this time

Heart failure sure but road traffic related deaths? Really? COVID-19 is not causing a decrease in road traffic deaths, the reaction to COVID-19 is. So, why would that data ever be relevant when talking about the disease?

Because that also needs to be factored in when trying to determine causes

If total deaths doesn't change, but road traffic deaths are down by 500, that means non-road-traffic deaths are up 500

You need a complete picture to draw conclusions

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by virmundi »

caffed wrote: post #59

Wow, the rapid increase is definitely alarming. Side note: gun violence would average number 3 or 4, if not for the tireless lobbying from the NRA to block health impact research. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

What we’ve learned from this Corona scare is the best way to protect people is to incarcerate them in their own homes. Take guns and hard instruments from people. Isolate everyone into their own cell would reduce the murder rate to zero. All communication would go through the Internet. No chance for physical abuse any more. No more transmission of disease since we’ve shutdown direct human interactions. It would be the perfectly safe world. Of course agency gets thrown out the window.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by dang »

FriendlyNormie wrote: post #58
panpanna wrote: post #39

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This belongs on r/conspiracy not HN. Also, I am surprised about the hatred Bill Gates is receiving (despite spending billions of his own money on fighting Corona and other diseases). Could someone please explain why?

As you’d know if you actually read those people’s comments, they believe he had a role in intentionally releasing the virus as a pretext to force his id2020.org human cattle marking system onto the world, among other incentives. Don’t stop there, let’s see your responses to the other points I raised in my previous comment.

Please don't do this here.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by thu2111 »

iso1631 wrote: post #121
iso1631 wrote: post #72

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Indeed, this is the key question, what are the number of excess deaths compared with this time last year. Are mortality statistics available to that sort of granularity and speed (e.g. "number of deaths registered last week") for any country or region in the world? If you die of heart failure and happen to be covid infected (which is likely given how widespread it is) do you go down as a covid death rather than a hea…

> Are mortality statistics available to that sort of granularity and speed To answer my own question, yes https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mo... I love gov.uk Week 9 commences March 2nd (I'm assuming the weeks are the same as ISO weeks) Week | Total dead(E+W) | Covid (UK) | Excess mortality 8 Feb24-Mar1 | 10,841 | 0 | ... 9 Mar 2-8 | 10,816 | 3 | no 10 Mar 9-15 | 10,895 | 32 | no 11 Mar 16-22…

Ah great find. I was looking for UK hospital admissions data.

That's pretty shocking. Pneumonia and respiratory has hardly moved (where is the wave???) yet there's a huge fall in emergency cardiac patients. That's worrying. It implies people having heart attacks are choosing not to go to hospital fast enough, even though they could.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by hsod »

Murkin wrote: post #29

Since the other causes of death remain static in this chart, its hard to tell if Covid-19 are new cases or "take away from other causes" (and by what percentage). Would be interesting to see daily chart of Covid-19 deaths as % of total deaths and daily total deaths. PS. Extra points - number of deaths due to lockdowns (suicides, unaccessible healthcare, etc)

This graph shows total mortality in NY state https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1247728338484985857?s=20

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by Turing_Machine »

nradov wrote: post #120
coldtea wrote: post #108

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People aren't concerned if hundreds of thousands end up dying? The majority of people weren't in WTC either...

Yes unfortunately there are many people who don't care about the suffering and death of others. But being callous doesn't make someone a "denier".

Then there are those who understand that the lockdown is also producing plenty of suffering (quite possibly very long-term suffering).

Those people are neither "deniers" nor "callous".

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