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Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by tadhgf »

ben_w wrote: post #237
whazor wrote: post #200

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I think video chatting with normal citizens would be quite difficult if you expect them to install VPN's and special video conference software that probably only works with gov.uk accounts. Grabbing a random laptop, connecting to the internet and using zoom sounds a lot easier.

The link shared by @verytrivial to Boris Johnson’s twitter account isn’t showing “normal citizens”, it is showing the executive branch of the UK, plus an account identified only as “iPhone” who has their camera and microphone switched off.

Dominic Cummings?

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Post by michaelt »

Loughla wrote: post #275
michaelt wrote: post #238

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When you stream a Youtube or Netflix video, you can download several seconds ahead over boring old HTTP. It's a one-to-one link, you don't have to upload anything, and you don't need access the user's camera or microphone. To be competitive in videoconferencing these days, you need: * Low latency, so people don't talk over each other * Video and audio compression that doesn't get confused by dropped packets. * Setup…

>* Free of charge It seems like, in the current use case, this one isn't as important? Institutions would pay for something that does everything else really well. Source: All the paid accounts my institution shelled out for on Zoom in our transition to remote work. So I guess n=1.

There are certainly features you can charge corporations for, yes.

But Skype, Discord, Google Hangouts, Facetime and Whatsapp all have a generous free tier. I haven't tried Zoom or Webex but it looks like they do too.

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Post by silon42 »

aledthemathguy wrote: post #193
fyfy18 wrote: post #125

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On Linux (Skylake u-i7) Zoom maxes out my CPU :-(

I came to the conclusion that if you want to run Linux, you must run Windows as well :) Sucks, but true.

Hopefully in a VM (sandbox), like all proprietary software should be ran.

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Post by gnulinux »

teddyh wrote: post #222
gnulinux wrote: post #89

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Is this a joke? 4chan is the well-known internet forum/image board. https://www.4chan.org/

It’s a quote: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-hacker-known-as-4chan

Ah I see, never saw this meme before.

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Post by the8472 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #54
zionic wrote: post #40

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4chan

I should have phrased that differently. I know it's largely parts of the 4chan crowd. But who are those boards? Why are the people who go there so nuts? Do you ever wonder if you've unknowingly met these people in real life? Chances are we all have, right? How do they manage to be so terrible and then go on with their lives?

Are you not aware of people's great capacity for compartmentalization?

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Post by simonh »

harry8 wrote: post #234
simonh wrote: post #223

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There is absolutely now way GCHQ signed off on this.

And yet they are powerless. Back to recording private conversations like the Stasi then. What a wonderful institution. They're useful how, exactly? Not smacking their heads into the table nearly hard enough. Not even close.

By definition, in their line of work if you knew exactly how useful and effective they were they would not be doing their job properly. They report to the UK government, not to you and not to me even though I am a UK citizen (as you may be, I don't know). They have worked for governments lead by or including all three main political parties in the UK and they all decided they were useful enough to them to keep, in pursuing their goals on behalf of the people who elected them. That's good enough for me.

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Post by [deleted] »

blahedo wrote: post #107
verytrivial wrote: post #17

https://mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534... Yes, shared by the Prime Minister, number and all. What a time to be alive.

Also interesting about that photo: Five of the 25 have portrait-oriented video feeds. Tbh this may make more sense for this kind of thing (shows more of the person rather than more of the space they're in) but I'm thinking about the hardware—am I correct in inferring that those five are zooming from their mobile? Do high-level UK cabinet ministers not have laptops?

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Post by Operyl »

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jedieaston wrote: post #263

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Was it not solved in FaceTime group chats? I can’t see the Apple Security Guide right now, but I know they claim that FaceTime 1-to-1 is e2e, and with their whole marketing thing being privacy, I bet they did it for group conversations too (not that it’s Enterprise ready since there’s no user management or SSO or whatever). I’ve noticed over the years that FaceTime is much more likely than other video chat software t…

Yeah, there seem to be multiple statements by Apple saying they can't access the content of FaceTime calls, without any qualification that it only applies to one-to-one calls. So it's probably a reasonable assumption that even the group ones are e2e encrypted. How many participants can you have in a FaceTime group call? I have also noticed that FaceTime drops the video much more often that other software.

You can video call up to 31 people (32 if you include yourself).

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Post by luckydata »

solidasparagus wrote: post #195
luckydata wrote: post #26

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I had a quick feedback call set up by a common investor with Eric, Zoom's CEO a few years ago. I remember I pointed out a few of those issues, and his reply was that the only problem he could see with the app was that it wasn't "pretty enough" and it needed new icons. I hope Eric is learning something from this situation and will pay more attention in the future, every business gets those moments, maybe not that publ…

Seems like Zoom was right that they were better off focusing on the UX aspects over the privacy ones?

If you stretch the definition of UX and ignore the clear lesson in this story, sure.

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Post by solidasparagus »

luckydata wrote: post #289
solidasparagus wrote: post #195

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Seems like Zoom was right that they were better off focusing on the UX aspects over the privacy ones?

If you stretch the definition of UX and ignore the clear lesson in this story, sure.

What clear lesson? Zoom is not in a bad situation right now.
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