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Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by Zenst »

Thorentis wrote: post #58
verytrivial wrote: post #17

https://mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534... Yes, shared by the Prime Minister, number and all. What a time to be alive.

I'm surprised they're even allowed to use Zoom for a national cabinet meeting. Wouldn't the Gov have its own video chatting software that is self hosted?

Number 10 has had Video Conferencing since 1998 (I set it up with college and received first call from there), was H320 via ISDN2 affair and had dedicated black box encryption unit GCHQ supplied and dealt with. DOH (Department of Health) also had dedicated VC rooms as did all the regional officers and MCU bridging for multi point conferencing was outsourced when needed. All main DOH sites could do upto 384 with bonded ISDN line (UK ISDN was 64k per channel and seperate D channel, no bit stealing going on here).

That without a doubt all changed many times and somewhat supprised they are using Zoom, and would of thought at least would of contracted to run their own private server connected via VPN. Very supprised and when American politicians all loved their blackberry's, they had their own dedicated servers they controlled access to, supplied by RIM.

But the DOH and all the other government departments are entities unto themselves, and I'm not that up on anything the last couple of decades, but suspect that there isn't any common solution to enable what they need to do for remote working in isolation. I'm sure much will change after this. Also fairly sure GCHQ probably bashing their heads on the table.

But I can see how they got to where they are, knowing aspects of government workings and departmental fencing, still - does kinda make you go WTF still.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by void445be54d48a »

consultutah wrote: post #72
dzonga wrote: post #52

if FB didn't have privacy nightmares. They're well equipped to providing the solutions to the enterprise market. given that they probably have the most stable live video platforms which could be modified to support secure meetings

Right now zoom is going through a honeymoon phase. Only us geeks care about its security and privacy. After this is over though, people will start thinking it through and things will look a lot more like how FaceBook is viewed right now...

I dunno. My boss is an incredibly tech savvy developer and he loves Zoom and thinks it's fantastic so I don't really see it going anywhere for a while.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by jonex »

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #128
gnulinux wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My therapist tried a whole bunch of different services with different clients. We first tried doxy.me which is a HIPAA approved tele-medical service. But the quality was HORRIBLE, it was unusable, so she asked me if I would be ok using Skype (since Skype is not encrypted) I said ok (since I need the session more than it being secure). It was fine. Then we tried Zoom next time around. I thought Zoom was better in term…

Why is it hard? Video streaming has been a thing for a couple decades. I am genuinely curious.

It's hard because it's dependant of other systems that are often not fully functional.

The things that needs to work for a video call is: The network must be reasonably reliable and not overloaded. The camera must be configured and not privacy blocked. The correct recording device must be used, it must be recording (opportunity for both user error and OS issues here). If hardware codes are used (a requirement on lower end devices) it must support low enough bitrates, must have the right options.

Typically all these things are slightly different between different devices and operating systems. It's typically easy to build a proof of concept with great quality and reliable connections between two given devices over a given network. It's super hard to make a product that is reliable enough that millions of users only rarely run into issues.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by jonex »

true_religion wrote: post #138
api wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It works, the quality is decent, and it doesn't max out 4-8 cores for a simple video call. The others don't work, are Microsoft UI dumpster fires (Skype), or consume vast amounts of CPU (anything WebRTC for some reason).

What would Zoom use when it’s working in the browser if it’s not WebRTC?

It's described at: https://webrtchacks.com/zoom-avoids-using-webrtc/

They use WebRTC data channels, but nothing else. I'd speculate that this is the reason why they try to push people into using the desktop client.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by _-___________-_ »

blahedo wrote: post #107
verytrivial wrote: post #17

https://mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534... Yes, shared by the Prime Minister, number and all. What a time to be alive.

Also interesting about that photo: Five of the 25 have portrait-oriented video feeds. Tbh this may make more sense for this kind of thing (shows more of the person rather than more of the space they're in) but I'm thinking about the hardware—am I correct in inferring that those five are zooming from their mobile? Do high-level UK cabinet ministers not have laptops?

I only ever use Zoom on my phone - it frees up my laptop to be used during the call, and I refuse to install anything developed by that company on my laptop.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by _-___________-_ »

softwaredoug wrote: post #91
verytrivial wrote: post #17

https://mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534... Yes, shared by the Prime Minister, number and all. What a time to be alive.

Maybe covid-19 will get them actually grok e2e encryption

e2e encryption for multi-party videoconferencing that works well enough to use for something like this is basically an unsolved problem at this point.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by Legogris »

sixothree wrote: post #148
dhosek wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how cavalier zoom is about privacy and its history on the Mac, the only place I'd be willing to use it is on my phone or ipad where it's boxed in by Apple's restrictions and has undergone app review. Apple had to push a silent OS update to remove zoom's insecure secret web server.

How the heck is Zoom even HIPAA compliant?

Is it though?

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by harry8 »

Zenst wrote: post #161
Thorentis wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised they're even allowed to use Zoom for a national cabinet meeting. Wouldn't the Gov have its own video chatting software that is self hosted?

Number 10 has had Video Conferencing since 1998 (I set it up with college and received first call from there), was H320 via ISDN2 affair and had dedicated black box encryption unit GCHQ supplied and dealt with. DOH (Department of Health) also had dedicated VC rooms as did all the regional officers and MCU bridging for multi point conferencing was outsourced when needed. All main DOH sites could do upto 384 with bonde…

>Also fairly sure GCHQ probably bashing their heads on the table.

Not nearly hard enough. Not even close to hard enough. They need help with that, possibly with heavy machinery.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by erikbye »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #54
zionic wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan

I should have phrased that differently. I know it's largely parts of the 4chan crowd. But who are those boards? Why are the people who go there so nuts? Do you ever wonder if you've unknowingly met these people in real life? Chances are we all have, right? How do they manage to be so terrible and then go on with their lives?

I ponder these same questions when I think about who voted for Trump, turns out, 4chan has many Trump supporters.
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