Trolls break into meetings on Zoom • Hacker News Board

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by charlus » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:33 AM UTC

Traster wrote: post #98

chaps wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the exposing of a government employee's email address a security risk to you? Edit, because downvotes: government email addresses can be retrieved easily through public records laws, and is done routinely, and can easily be scraped or inferred. I've done both many, many times, and it's trivial.

Well at the very least it presents a soft target for hacking into his personal email adddress (it's gmail not govenrment) and secondly, compromising it literally gives you access to dial into cabinet meetings.

Michael Gove has an illustrious history with his private emails as well: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17235168

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by Camas » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:38 AM UTC

verytrivial wrote: post #17

https://mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534... Yes, shared by the Prime Minister, number and all. What a time to be alive.

He accidentally let slip that he lives at 10 Downing Street too.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by TwoBit » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:38 AM UTC

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #128

gnulinux wrote: post #87

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My therapist tried a whole bunch of different services with different clients. We first tried doxy.me which is a HIPAA approved tele-medical service. But the quality was HORRIBLE, it was unusable, so she asked me if I would be ok using Skype (since Skype is not encrypted) I said ok (since I need the session more than it being secure). It was fine. Then we tried Zoom next time around. I thought Zoom was better in term…

Why is it hard? Video streaming has been a thing for a couple decades. I am genuinely curious.

The companies selling video streaming and conferencing have other issues, such as service costs. And they typically don't retain very good engineering teams.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:39 AM UTC

syockit wrote: post #80

tqi wrote: post #36

It feels like the tech news cycle is so predictable... Stage 1: This company you probably hadn't heard of before is blowing up / changing the world! Stage 2 (current stage): Actually it turns out this company has some unexpected problems! Stage 3: Actually this company is actively contributing to society's One Big Problem! Stage 4: Actually here is why Zoom actually isn't as bad as everyone thinks! Stage 5: This OTHE…

I am out of the loop as to why Zoom is suddenly "blowing up". Even my workplace is using it now. Previously, we were using either Skype, Webex, or Jitsi. What does Zoom offer that the other three doesn't?

1. The gallery view (aka 'Brady Bunch' view) works significantly better than any other system, with a large number of users. Especially now where everyone is working remotely and you have large group chats IMO this is the biggest factor.

2. Related to the above, I have rarely, if ever, had a problem with Zoom quality.

3. The onboarding for new users (basically just share a link) is dead simple. Zoom realized that the install process was a significant barrier and did more than anyone else to lower that barrier (of course, with lots of security/privacy issues to boot, but your average Joe isn't aware of those).

4. A smaller factor but perhaps a bigger one for people using Zoom for personal reasons (e.g. teenagers and college kids) are the 'fun' features like virtual backgrounds.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by strategarius » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:42 AM UTC

4 chan exist like 20 years or something. Does anyone ever thought about a legal way to shut it down and lock up couple of admins? I'm sure their stupid troll raids cost billions since it started.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by godelski » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:42 AM UTC

syockit wrote: post #80

tqi wrote: post #36

It feels like the tech news cycle is so predictable... Stage 1: This company you probably hadn't heard of before is blowing up / changing the world! Stage 2 (current stage): Actually it turns out this company has some unexpected problems! Stage 3: Actually this company is actively contributing to society's One Big Problem! Stage 4: Actually here is why Zoom actually isn't as bad as everyone thinks! Stage 5: This OTHE…

I am out of the loop as to why Zoom is suddenly "blowing up". Even my workplace is using it now. Previously, we were using either Skype, Webex, or Jitsi. What does Zoom offer that the other three doesn't?

I've been using it for a few months and the group I work with has been using it much longer. The reason is because:

It is easy

It just works

It works cross platform (why the hell is this such an issue!)

Quality is good

You can record meetings

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:47 AM UTC

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Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by true_religion » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:48 AM UTC

api wrote: post #101

syockit wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am out of the loop as to why Zoom is suddenly "blowing up". Even my workplace is using it now. Previously, we were using either Skype, Webex, or Jitsi. What does Zoom offer that the other three doesn't?

It works, the quality is decent, and it doesn't max out 4-8 cores for a simple video call. The others don't work, are Microsoft UI dumpster fires (Skype), or consume vast amounts of CPU (anything WebRTC for some reason).

What would Zoom use when it’s working in the browser if it’s not WebRTC?

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by cc-d » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:50 AM UTC

strategarius wrote: post #135

4 chan exist like 20 years or something. Does anyone ever thought about a legal way to shut it down and lock up couple of admins? I'm sure their stupid troll raids cost billions since it started.

> Does anyone ever thought about a legal way to shut it down and lock up couple of admins?

Why on earth do you feel like this is an appropriate response to some people joining random zoom meetings?

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by dhosek » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 2:55 AM UTC

dexterdog wrote: post #122

sc11 wrote: post #110

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I'm speculating, but they might find it more convenient to use a separate device for the video chat? Especially if you're using your laptop a lot during the video call, it's quite convenient to have the chat open elsewhere.

Esp considering I have had the zoom app completely crash my laptop multiple times.

Given how cavalier zoom is about privacy and its history on the Mac, the only place I'd be willing to use it is on my phone or ipad where it's boxed in by Apple's restrictions and has undergone app review. Apple had to push a silent OS update to remove zoom's insecure secret web server.