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> it takes actual work to grow, harvest, and distribute crops. I look forward to the test of "Europeans don't want to do _____ work" when the shit-pay factor is removed.
do you also look forward to the 10x grocery shit-bill you will be stuck with?
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> it takes actual work to grow, harvest, and distribute crops. I look forward to the test of "Europeans don't want to do _____ work" when the shit-pay factor is removed.
do you also look forward to the 10x grocery shit-bill you will be stuck with?
> From Huelva to Hamburg and Newcastle to Naples, Europe’s farmers are struggling to find people to bring in rapidly ripening fruits and vegetables, which frequently must be hand-picked, usually within a window of just a few days. They typically rely on seasonal workers from eastern Europe or northern Africa, but fears of the coronavirus are keeping hundreds of thousands of migrant laborers from leaving home, and con…
I am up for doing some fruit picking if it can be organized correctly. The strategy of allowing in migrant labour would be a political fiasco.
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I would suggest advertising some fruit-picking jobs at a guaranteed $50/hour to test your theory that Americans don't want them at any pay rate.
At that pay rate, your grocery bill will rise 5x-10x and while that might not bother you, there are several people from whom that's a death knell.
My guess is that the migrant worker proportion of retail cost is edit:
> What would happen to consumer food costs if farm wages rose and the extra costs were passed on to consumers? The average earnings of field workers were $9.78 an hour in 2008, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture survey of farm employers, and a 40 percent increase would raise them to $13.69 an hour. If this wage increase were passed on to consumers, the 10 cent farm labor cost of a $1 pound of apples would rise to 14 cents, and the retail price would only rise to $1.04.
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You can grow a surprising amount on even 0.1 acres. Here's a video where a family grows 6000 pounds on about 4000 square feet. https://youtu.be/NCmTJkZy0rM Granted, they have the whole family pitching in with the labor and it's a full-time job for them.
Is there a good resource for a reasonably educated individual on the theory of farming. That is the theory about growing any foodstuff or useful growable product (livestock,plants,edible mushrooms, even houseplants and pets) and selling those products. Managing the economics, top soil, automation, machine repair and maintenance.
Another more UK-centric Guardian article that may be of interest: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-an...
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> it takes actual work to grow, harvest, and distribute crops. I look forward to the test of "Europeans don't want to do _____ work" when the shit-pay factor is removed.
do you also look forward to the 10x grocery shit-bill you will be stuck with?
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> it takes actual work to grow, harvest, and distribute crops. I look forward to the test of "Europeans don't want to do _____ work" when the shit-pay factor is removed.
do you also look forward to the 10x grocery shit-bill you will be stuck with?
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do you also look forward to the 10x grocery shit-bill you will be stuck with?
Sure if it means people are being paid a fair wage. I should pay more for things where I'm exploiting labor tbh.
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At 20 USD/hour I think you would be able to fill these jobs. But if you want to make that salary picking fruit, then we'll have to pay more for it -- or you'll need to have some automation to increase productivity. I doubt we'll want to pay more, consumers would rather buy imports instead.
Everything I have ever read indicates that white Americans don't want farm labor jobs even if you pay $20/hour.
- college education ($30K-$75K/year, preceded by purchasing a shack for $800K in a good-school town)
- health care ($25K/year for a high-deductible family plan)
What's the point?
Or do we consider education or healthcare luxury now?