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Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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It always amazes me how the discussion can go so quickly go from "The mighty market solves all problems!" to, "The market is an incredibly fragile flower, and the slightest worker protections will result in mass unemployment and starvation!" Before Instacart, people went to the grocery store just fine. If Instacart has to pay workers a living wage, some people at the margins might return to shopping themselves, but I…

> It always amazes me how the discussion can go so quickly go from "The mighty market solves all problems!" to, "The market is an incredibly fragile flower, and the slightest worker protections will result in mass unemployment and starvation!" The market will continue to function just fine. It is just that the outcome of manipulating it is usually not what the manipulators intended. Suppose I thought that Instacart w…

> The cost will be cheaper the more we spread it out instead of concentrating it all on this company or that company.

But hey, wait a minute! You are not suggesting that the US should adopt a humane way of treating people instead of holding a carrot in front of 95% of people that they can never reach all under the guise of the American dream, whatever the fuck that is supposed to be?

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Instacart's Web UI does not work. The search feature is completely broken and always shows a picture of the sad milk bottle, as is the update cart feature (before the shopper starts shopping) where you can search for an item and add it to your cart. I tried the same update cart feature in the app and while it is able to find items, tapping add to cart just shows the button depress animation and the item never gets ad…

They are 100% turfing hard in here.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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America has created quite a lot of terrible, low paying and unsustainable jobs that also externalize a lot of risk to staffers.

It's great for consumers via low prices, and investors via returns.

But it's a problem on the whole.

Sadly, I feel if these people were paid a decent wage, the price would be high enough the market would be tiny.

I'm not sure if the long-run economics add up very well here.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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I can only gather you don't know many gig workers. The ones I've talked to aren't doing it for fun. They're desperate.

Great. Lets ban gig work and make sure that instead of a crappy income they have no income!

"Great. Lets ban gig work and make sure that instead of a crappy income they have no income!"

There's a much easier answer and that's just to pay them better.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Everlane workers tried to form a union and they were all fired https://twitter.com/EverlaneU/status/1243615472307695618 When there are a ton of people looking for work it is not really a good time to be striking

Thank god I don't live in a society where people get fired for unionising. I don't understand how such a thing happens in any democratic society. Do workers really not like the idea of collective bargaining, or are there more business owners than workers in your state/country?

> Do people really not like the idea of collective bargaining

Since the gutting of private-sector unions, the average American’s exposure to collective bargaining is public employee union strikes.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It always amazes me how the discussion can go so quickly go from "The mighty market solves all problems!" to, "The market is an incredibly fragile flower, and the slightest worker protections will result in mass unemployment and starvation!" Before Instacart, people went to the grocery store just fine. If Instacart has to pay workers a living wage, some people at the margins might return to shopping themselves, but I…

> It always amazes me how the discussion can go so quickly go from "The mighty market solves all problems!" to, "The market is an incredibly fragile flower, and the slightest worker protections will result in mass unemployment and starvation!" The market will continue to function just fine. It is just that the outcome of manipulating it is usually not what the manipulators intended. Suppose I thought that Instacart w…

That’s a possibility. Another is sector wide unionization, rather than worksite as we have in the US. Then one company is never granted that card to cry about.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Do you have any proof of "grocery stores already have strong unions"? Genuinely wondering how you've concluded this.

There was a sign at my local grocery store saying it's a union store, in fact there was one at most of the stores where I used to live (I live outside the US now). I've seen the workers striking outside the store. There were also news articles late last year where the union had won increased benefits / pay through a recent strike.

I appreciate you taking the time to reply, but this is hardly proof. It's all anecdotal. I was hoping you might provide some articles or citations backing up your point.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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I would rather pay a higher delivery fee and (1) have enough workers to deliver my goods (2) Have them (and me) protected adequately. The whole way delivery works is broken right now.

Me too, but neither you nor I represent the market.

If there was a sufficient market for all of this to work out, it probably would have existed before Instacart. Instacart provides no innovation, other than dumping investor money on the market, and externalizing a lot of cost and risk onto gig workers, thereby making the price of delivery somewhat worthwhile ... for now. The moment the workers are paid reasonably and/or the VC subsidy runs out, what then?

Since when do the unit metrics on this business add up?

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a sign at my local grocery store saying it's a union store, in fact there was one at most of the stores where I used to live (I live outside the US now). I've seen the workers striking outside the store. There were also news articles late last year where the union had won increased benefits / pay through a recent strike.

I appreciate you taking the time to reply, but this is hardly proof. It's all anecdotal. I was hoping you might provide some articles or citations backing up your point.

I'm sure entering "grocery worker union" or similar terms into your favorite search engine will turn up ample evidence of the fact that unions for grocery workers do indeed exist.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Do you have any proof of "grocery stores already have strong unions"? Genuinely wondering how you've concluded this.

http://www.ufcw.org/grocery/ It's a strong grocers union, but does not cover Instacart and other gig workers.

Thanks for the example, looked into them a bit. Sounds like they're negotiating for some benefits amid the current pandemic: http://www.ufcw.org/coronavirus/workers/

Wishing them the best of luck.

That's unfortunate that they don't cover gig workers. A good chunk of our employment is now in "gig work".

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