Bit of a rub that to request your messy, potentially erroneous, public profile, you have to give private, authenticated identification and contact information - basically the most valuable information they could want, dramatically increasing the value of your profile that you were so concerned about in the first place.
I got my file from Clearview AI
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#182Bit of a rub that to request your messy, potentially erroneous, public profile, you have to give private, authenticated identification and contact information - basically the most valuable information they could want, dramatically increasing the value of your profile that you were so concerned about in the first place.
Its probably because for clearview its the only way to know that it is indeed you who is asking for information on yourself.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just for the record, the journalist who broke the story on Clearview noted that Clearview AI has specifically demonstrated it isn't fooled by thispersondoesnotexist.com: https://twitter.com/kashhill/status/1218542846694871040?s=20 You won't be giving them any info on you, but you won't be confounding them either.
True, but at least it prevents them from linking accounts. It is equivalent to no profile picture, which you might not want to keep up appearances.
Managing your privacy is a lot like CPU side channel attacks. It forces you to re-evaluate your fundamental assumptions about what information can be exploited.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok wi…
> It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok with their data. Exploitation is the best education there is. Everything is fine until it isn't. One day, companies and governments are going to start doing things with personal information that are unacceptable to even the average person. By then, it will probably be too late.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
What specific violation do you have in mind? Google has been fined $5B for various non-GDPR violations.
Have they paid any of it? FCC has fined robodialers in the hundreds of millions but only managed to collect a fraction of a percent.
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#186So the difference between this an google‘s reverse image search is that google‘s matching algorithm is worse (probably because it doesn‘t include facial recognition)? Well, public images are public and I don‘t think banning such a service would prevent governments from implementing something like this .. the technological challenges are getting less and less.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just for the record, the journalist who broke the story on Clearview noted that Clearview AI has specifically demonstrated it isn't fooled by thispersondoesnotexist.com: https://twitter.com/kashhill/status/1218542846694871040?s=20 You won't be giving them any info on you, but you won't be confounding them either.
I'm not sure what is not working-as-intended here? Run facial recognition against computer generated face, got no matches. Surely that is the expected and intended result from both parties? Or is it expected to match against a different face?
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok wi…
Is potential surveillance by government entities the primary reason you are against companies generally doing whatever they want with user data? Are there other rationales? Just like your friends, I personally don't particularly care either, but from time to time I have tried to understand the privacy crowd's obsession with this issue and the rationale behind laws like the GDPR and CCPA, as well as the desire for eve…
Yes. The fundamental issue is the total lack of respect for the user's consent.
People usually have no problem with volunteering personal information that is relevant to whatever activity they're trying to accomplish. For example, a company will need people's addresses in order to ship products to them. This is a voluntary, explicit and respectful process: consumers willingly and knowingly give the company copies of the information they need to perform the service and the company uses that information only for its intended purpose and absolutely nothing else.
The problem we face today is that businesses are collecting massive amounts of personal information indiscriminately, invisibly and without true consent. Web browsers hemorrhage personal information without them even asking and there's no way to stop it. Companies make apps that mine people's phones for every last bit of data they can get their hands on. Web sites put up annoying little banners saying they collect data and call it informed consent even though there's no way to say no. They bury some clauses in a terms of service nobody reads and say the user agreed to it by continuing to use site even though cookies were set and fingerprinting was performed on the very first visit before the user could possibly have known about much less read the contract.
Not only that, the information is being abused to do things people don't actually want. When people give a company their email addresses, they assume they will receive messages that are actually important. What happens is the company thinks it has every right to spam people with marketing and advertising emails or sell their data to other very interested parties. People give a company their phone numbers and next thing they know they're getting marketing calls they never asked for and can't opt out of.
And then there's the security issues. If someone has information about people in a database, there's always a chance it can be leaked even if every precaution is taken. The potential for harm is significant. Data should be considered a liability for companies. Knowing things about people should cost them money. They should have ample incentive to collect as little data as possible, limit the scope and frequency of the use of whatever data they collect as much as possible and delete that information as soon as it is no longer needed. What's happening today is the complete opposite of that: companies are collecting as much data as possible, keeping it forever and using it for whatever makes them the most money regardless of people's wishes.
These examples are relatively benign but the potential for harm is always there. What if companies start buying up personal information and using the data to profile and exclude candidates? No doubt information such as browsing history would condemn a huge number of people. What if companies find a way to deanonymize that data and link it to candidates?
Re: I got my file from Clearview AI
#190Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU? They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without written consent. That alone should mean billions of euros in fines.
Because the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok wi…
If you were unable to convince multiple smart people who you care about / respect, then perhaps it is time to at least considere the possibility that your position is incorrect?