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I got my file from Clearview AI

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Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by riedel »

riedel wrote: post #137
101404 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for. There is no "open" personal data you may just use for anything.

Can you back your claim? Its true that the data is still personal but a lower level of protec to ion is applied. Except for children as i remember. There is need for notification but exceptions if not realistically feasible . Sorry on my phone with child sleeping in my arm. Here is an article I could quickly come up with in English https://iapp.org/news/a/publicly-available-data-under-gdpr-m...

Just saw that data used for biometric purposes is under special protection beyond typical pii. That seems to be the basis for current investigations.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by justaguyhere »

stiray wrote: post #61
40four wrote: post #9

I used to think some of my peers were being overly cautious by purposely trying to obfuscate their online profile. Back in the day, I couldn’t care less about putting in effort to try to protect my online privacy. I have slowly but surely come to see the light. Now it’s at the forefront of my mind at all times. Learning about this company (and I imagine other unknown entities are doing the same) has encouraged me to…

Replacing pictures wont help (they already have them), GDPR request for deletion might work better but on the other side you also give them your confirmed identity. With companies as shady as this one, they might just set a flag in their database and add your documents data to them. As you have figured out on your own, public should listen to some people warning about this for more than decade instead of making fun f…

GDPR request for deletion might work better

Dumb question - how can anyone be sure that companies actually delete the data? What about the backups, what happens to the data there? How do these govt enforcers verify this? Also, what about Clearview's employees abusing the data? what stops them from snooping on someone they are interested in?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by henrik_w »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #75
samsquire wrote: post #4

Ideally we live in a society where not being anonymous is not such a big risk. But governments change, the data is still around to be abused. This is what disturbs me. Is how data can be abused in the future.

Exactly. Very current affairs: governments are looking into getting location data from phone networks, apps, phone manufacturers to determine whether people are sticking to the curfews. And this change in perspective happened real fast. Does the end justify the means? A pandemic like this is the ideal chance for a government to set up emergency measures like martial law, while the people themselves are too busy tryin…

Yuval Noah Harari warns about that here:

https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcc...

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by nexuist »

battery_cowboy wrote: post #30

Private companies can do whatever immoral garbage they want, and in exchange for access to the data or the product they developed in an unethical manner, the government slaps them on the wrist, or does nothing, allowing it to get worse and worse and allowing them to assert more control over us. Imagine the story when people find out this or another company started skimming the porn sites with facial recognition, star…

> starts gaining access to surveillance footage from Nest or Ring, or maybe even gets access to state and federal DOT cameras and real time feeds from body cameras!

https://www.engadget.com/2020-03-04-banjo-ai-utah-law-enforc...

> The agreement gives the company real-time access to state traffic cameras, CCTV and public safety cameras, 911 emergency systems, location data for state-owned vehicles and more. In exchange, Banjo promises to alert law enforcement to "anomalies," aka crimes, but the arrangement raises all kinds of red flags.

> Banjo relies on info scraped from social media, satellite imaging data and the real-time info from law enforcement. Banjo claims its "Live Time Intelligence" AI can identify crimes -- everything from kidnappings to shootings and "opioid events" -- as they happen.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by ardy42 »

tomerv wrote: post #90
ardy42 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bit of a rub that to request your messy, potentially erroneous, public profile, you have to give private, authenticated identification and contact information - basically the most valuable information they could want, dramatically increasing the value of your profile that you were so concerned about in the first place. The concept of being opted-in by default and being forced to authenticate yourself to opt out is…

The governments are the customers of such products. We can't expect them to protect us.

> The governments are the customers of such products. We can't expect them to protect us.

So you're saying we should just surrender to companies like Clearview AI? I don't agree with your fatalism.

I think you're making a mistake in assuming that governments are unaccountable and cannot be prevented from pursuing interests that against those of the people. That's clearly not the case. If you were right, we'd already have unchecked police surveillance (isn't government is the consumer of surveillance products?), but we don't. That's only the case in non-democracies like China. In democracies, society (and the government itself) is capable of putting significant constraints on government action.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by nwsm »

buza wrote: post #27
sxp wrote: post #10

The article is missing a link to the Clearview forms to request a copy of the data or request deletion: https://clearview.ai/privacy/requests

Even more incredible is that the opt out link requests a clear view of your face to proceed.

How else would they know what images to remove?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by lonelappde »

a_imho wrote: post #127
TrickyRick wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly, it's very much happening even if you're not reading it in the news every time.

If you search for Google, you will find one 50M fine. What is the 4% of Google revenue's again? 50M is filed under cost of doing business or the corruption budget if you are not that generous.

What specific violation do you have in mind? Google has been fined $5B for various non-GDPR violations.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by lonelappde »

a_imho wrote: post #126
riedel wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as they process openly available data I do not see a difference from searching your name on the internet in terms of the gdpr. They also responded to the request (maybe not fast enough) . Deletion would be a difficult thing maybe to be fully compliant to eu regulations .if its ethical is another story...

How is a Facebook profile openly available? Facebook probably gets pii via unreasonably broad blanket opt-outs, which is itself problematic, then it is shared with / not kept safe from a third party.

It's literally on a pubicly viewable URL. Do you delete your local copy of any photo view on Facebook?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by PeterisP »

shmageggy wrote: post #96

> For a few million dollars, nearly anyone with a startup background could likely build their own version of Clearview in less than a year. Am I being naive, or is this being overly generous? What about this can not be recreated with an off-the-shelf web scraper and a pretrained facial recognizer?

It's likely to cost you a few million dollars in hardware and multiple months to run your an off-the-shelf web scraper and a pretrained facial recognizer on a very, very large number of images. There are a lot of images on the internet, bandwidth and compute are not free.
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