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Post by cmurf »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13
baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

This is a smear tactic to silence the rational and logical criticism of near constant mendacity by a public official. The actual political agenda here is the smear tactic itself, that tries to stop holding such public officials accountable to their prior statements, as if they have taken no oath of office that binds them to a fiduciary duty to protect others.

We can have no civil society without these oaths being taken seriously, and holding people accountable for breaking them. It does not matter if they are CEOs, CFOs, CIOs, senators, representatives, or presidents. We are lost if they are treated as mere scraps of paper or words people say as blasé ritual.

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Post by pbreit »

et2o wrote: post #221
blhack wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January. This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.

There is NOT good RCT evidence for the efficacy of chloroquine for COVID —— Medical Professional Stop acting like there is. It’s insane at this point. It might work, but frankly it’s unlikely given the history of chloroquine’s failures as an antiviral.

There is...both in vitro and in vivo.

The pushback on chloroquine is completely insane. It's a 90 year old, well-understood drug used safely by millions with mild side effects.

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Post by marzell »

hnburnsy wrote: post #186
baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

They didn't take the drug, they took an aquarium cleaner... http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate >A man has died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate, an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks. Within thirty minutes of ingestion, the couple experienced immediate effects requiring admittance to a nearby Banner Health…

Saying that someone took X when referring to a chemical, and X is just a scary way of describing a use for that chemical, is really just FUD tactics. You know what else you could say that is just as meaningful? So-and-so died because they took an 'aquarium cleaner'... where the reference is to Water, which is also used when cleaning aquariums. Everything is chemicals.

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Post by blhack »

et2o wrote: post #221
blhack wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January. This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.

There is NOT good RCT evidence for the efficacy of chloroquine for COVID —— Medical Professional Stop acting like there is. It’s insane at this point. It might work, but frankly it’s unlikely given the history of chloroquine’s failures as an antiviral.

Okay well you're going to have to tell the FDA, the CDC, the WHO and many other equivalent organizations all over the world that.

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Post by ComputerGuru »

I did not know this many people in HN were functionally illiterate. The article does NOT say they drank aquarium cleaner. Learn to read, people!

A man has died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate, an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks.

That’s like saying “My neighbor had a banana, a common ingredient in certain brands of monkey food, for breakfast this morning,” and people going around saying “she ate monkey food.”

Chloroquine phosphate is one of the two quines being touted for its potential efficacy in treating COVID-19 (the other being hydroxychloroquine). Nowhere in the article does it say “the man and his wife consumed a gallon of aquarium cleaner, which contains an additive with alleged curative properties.”

Learn to read.

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Post by mindslight »

nostromo wrote: post #32
wolfi1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731

He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance. He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks." http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate I don't see why every story needs to be about him.

> I don't see why every story needs to be about him.

He's literally the President. If he didn't want the spotlight on him, he shouldn't have run. If he doesn't want a negative spotlight on him, he should stop confidently proclaiming bullshit that requires nuanced correction to not be actively harmful.

It didn't really matter when the topics were just partisan squabbling, as nothing was going to get done anyway. But we're now facing a shared crisis and yet he keeps at the same disruptive boasting. It's inexcusable.

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Post by Alex3917 »

maxerickson wrote: post #202
Alex3917 wrote: post #82

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The FDA approved emergency expanded access for inhaled nitric oxide a couple days ago, which has the same mechanism of action as garlic and beet root. There is actually a plausible mechanism of action there, and a bunch of in vitro research.

For treatment of HIV ? Other poster is apparently talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism_in_South_Af...

> For treatment of HIV?

For any virus. I didn't say it was safe or effective, I said there is a plausible mechanism of action.

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Post by anigbrowl »

jdminhbg wrote: post #206
rblatz wrote: post #116

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So this isn’t a helpful tone. You are politicizing this, the FDA doesn’t just trust poorly done studies and common sense, this is why we didn’t approve Thalidomide when it was widely considered safe. Additionally you are responding to an article about people who took the drug to treat Covid-19. Peoples lives are at stake on both sides, a politician with no medical training should know better than to run his mouth abo…

> Additionally you are responding to an article about people who took the drug to treat Covid-19. No, they did not. They took an aquarium cleaning chemical with a similar name.

Looks like they weren't alone: https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/sales-of-fish-tank-additive-sk...

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Post by et2o »

blhack wrote: post #254
et2o wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is NOT good RCT evidence for the efficacy of chloroquine for COVID —— Medical Professional Stop acting like there is. It’s insane at this point. It might work, but frankly it’s unlikely given the history of chloroquine’s failures as an antiviral.

Okay well you're going to have to tell the FDA, the CDC, the WHO and many other equivalent organizations all over the world that.

They are doing clinical trials for it in COVID, so those will reveal its efficacy.

The FDA, CDC, and WHO’s position is the same as mine.

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Post by fastball »

otterley wrote: post #166
raarts wrote: post #119

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If you don't want to: offend, be misinterpreted or misunderstood, never say a word. The world is full of dumb, mean and easily offended people to which "words matter".

What's your point here?

Saying "this drug might be effective" and saying "you should get your hands on any form of this drug you can find and then self-medicate" are obviously very different things.

Anyone that hears the former and does the latter wins a Darwin award – and no, it's not the speaker's fault.

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