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Post by et2o »

blhack wrote: post #70
baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January. This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.

There is NOT good RCT evidence for the efficacy of chloroquine for COVID —— Medical Professional

Stop acting like there is. It’s insane at this point. It might work, but frankly it’s unlikely given the history of chloroquine’s failures as an antiviral.

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Post by belorn »

filoleg wrote: post #164
belorn wrote: post #150

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Reading down the comments on this thread, there is a big question. How did this person acquire the drug? It seems to be a controlled substance, ie a prescription drug for malaria, so what happened? Did they also happen to be diagnosed for malaria? In times like this we should advocate for more information and getting facts out.

Reading the details, it seems like the person in question used chloroquine that was acquired in form of an aquarium cleaner. Definitely not something meant to be consumed by humans.

That raises many more questions, like what other horrible toxic chemicals a aquarium cleaner product has. Drain cleaners are infamous known for being used in suicide, and recall it being mentioned on medical shows as one of the most nasty thing someone can put into their body.

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Post by mattkrause »

abnry wrote: post #140
mattkrause wrote: post #63

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Verbatim quote from the President: "if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody." Edit: Yes, I realize what he probably meant . I know how meds work. I still think he should have chosen his wording more carefully.

Advil is one of the safest drugs to take, but you can still kill yourself with it.

And yet, my bottle doesn't say "Go crazy! This stuff is really safe!"

Instead, it says: "Do not take more than your recommended dose. An Advil overdose can damage your stomach or intestines. Use only the smallest amount of medication needed to get relief from your pain, swelling, or fever."

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Post by [deleted] »

DagAgren wrote: post #157
orblivion wrote: post #86

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I'm reading "This drug is gonna be great." I'm not reading "take this drug without your doctor's orders".

And do you think that is what every other person is reading?

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Post by gulli1010 »

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

It is also the recommended treatment in some European countries

https://epidemio.wiv-isp.be/ID/Documents/Covid19/COVID-19_In...

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Post by et2o »

Alex3917 wrote: post #82
HarryHirsch wrote: post #40

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We all made fun of South Africa's Thabo Mbeki when he recommended beetroot, garlic and other herbs to combat HIV. Turns out, we have no reason. It did happen here, on primetime TV.

The FDA approved emergency expanded access for inhaled nitric oxide a couple days ago, which has the same mechanism of action as garlic and beet root. There is actually a plausible mechanism of action there, and a bunch of in vitro research.

This is insane. Garlic and beet root are not used medically for any disease at all, let alone COVID.

NO evidence is pretty weak for COVID. Even if it was true, we’d give NO or other related compounds and certainly not unregulated dietary supplements.

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Post by jussij »

rblatz wrote: post #116
blhack wrote: post #70

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This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January. This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.

So this isn’t a helpful tone. You are politicizing this, the FDA doesn’t just trust poorly done studies and common sense, this is why we didn’t approve Thalidomide when it was widely considered safe. Additionally you are responding to an article about people who took the drug to treat Covid-19. Peoples lives are at stake on both sides, a politician with no medical training should know better than to run his mouth abo…

The FDA also makes mistakes.

For example they total stuffed it up with their handling of Oxycontin:

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2018/07/13/purdue-...

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Post by HarryHirsch »

gwright wrote: post #192
anigbrowl wrote: post #145

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The President's whole brand is that he knows more than the experts. I'm listening to him right now, live, saying 'the doctors re telling us we have to shut down the whole world, they want to shut it down for years, but you can't let the cure be worse than the problem.' He's talking complete nonsense about quarantine and how bad it is to close the stock exchange while saying the quarantine is a bigger problem than the…

Hard to understand your point. It seems quite obvious to me that you can't shut down the world economy for any length of time without introducing enormous amounts of collateral damage (i.e. deaths). What is nonsense about that?

The experts in China, South Korea and Taiwan have proven that you can get the disease under control with testing, contract tracing and serious quarantine methods. The alternative is collapsing the healthcare system because available hospital beds are full of coronavirus patients - coronavirus isn't the flu, 20 % of patients are hospitalized for three weeks. We are observing that in Italy and New York State.

The President needs to stop talking generalities.

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Post by pmichaud »

powowowow wrote: post #144
pmichaud wrote: post #79

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I was wondering the same. It's really hard to quote Trump because of the way he talks, but I looked up a transcript of the press conference in question: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres... The quote (heavily pruned, but you can look it up in the link to verify I didn't change the meaning) is: > Now, a drug called chloroquine ... is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong a…

It really sucks that people are downvoting your cogent and fact-based response.

I thought so too, but when someone gets involved in divisive topics online, they get what they get.
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