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Post by samizdis »

tathougies wrote: post #76
plastic_teeth wrote: post #58

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True thing. Also people who I like like Elon Musk spoke about it https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239650597906898947?s=20 On one side his voice should be heard, it may give people hope and help to move stuff On the other side, some people who don't know what balance is, might use it in the wrong way.

How are these people getting their hands on prescription drugs? Someone touting X prescription drug as a potential cure for something doesn't mean we should all go out and take it. I mean, PrEP is a treatment to prevent the AIDS virus from spreading, but it's not like someone being happy about that means you should somehow illegally procure and take a prescription drug. The double standards here are shocking.

I am fairly sure that chloroquine is available without prescription in many African countries, so one-time visitors may have kept a stash of anti-malarials bought during a trip. It is (or used to be) available over the counter in the UK, too.

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Post by dabeeeenster »

orblivion wrote: post #86
topher200 wrote: post #46

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> Now, a drug called chloroquine — and some people would add to it “hydroxy-.” Hydroxychloroquine. So chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. Now, this is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis. If somebody has pretty serious arthritis, also uses this in a somewhat different form. But it is known as a malaria drug, and it’s been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. But the nice part i…

I'm reading "This drug is gonna be great." I'm not reading "take this drug without your doctor's orders".

Yes but he has to remember people

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Post by blendergeek »

wildrhythms wrote: post #89
pkaye wrote: post #81

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Acetaminophen is also easy to overdose and has been recommended as a fever reducer for Coronavirus.

Who is recommending acetaminophen for coronavirus fever reduction? Provide a source.

At least one public health official i. France: https://www.twitter.com/olivierveran/status/1238776545398923...

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Post by powowowow »

pmichaud wrote: post #79
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

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Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

I was wondering the same. It's really hard to quote Trump because of the way he talks, but I looked up a transcript of the press conference in question: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres... The quote (heavily pruned, but you can look it up in the link to verify I didn't change the meaning) is: > Now, a drug called chloroquine ... is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong a…

It really sucks that people are downvoting your cogent and fact-based response.

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Post by anigbrowl »

blhack wrote: post #91
jonny_eh wrote: post #80

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> it’s going to get people killed Like the man that the article is about?

Yes, exactly like the man in the article. People are trying to make this into some political, partisan fight, which causes people’s trust in experts to be eroded. There’s a whole story about this called the boy who cried wolf.

The President's whole brand is that he knows more than the experts. I'm listening to him right now, live, saying 'the doctors re telling us we have to shut down the whole world, they want to shut it down for years, but you can't let the cure be worse than the problem.'

He's talking complete nonsense about quarantine and how bad it is to close the stock exchange while saying the quarantine is a bigger problem than the virus because he's created so many jobs and that it'll cause 'tremendous death.'

¯\(°_o)/¯

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Post by stordoff »

wildrhythms wrote: post #89
pkaye wrote: post #81

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Acetaminophen is also easy to overdose and has been recommended as a fever reducer for Coronavirus.

Who is recommending acetaminophen for coronavirus fever reduction? Provide a source.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isol...

> To help yourself stay well while you're at home [...] take paracetamol to help ease your symptoms

Strictly speaking it's on the self-isolation if symptomatic or living with someone who does page, and not necessarily aimed directly at confirmed cases, but you also get the same advice at the end of the NHS online advice service if you present with (mild) COVID-19 symptoms:

> How to look after your symptoms at home[:...] take paracetamol

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Post by rbanffy »

blhack wrote: post #91
jonny_eh wrote: post #80

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> it’s going to get people killed Like the man that the article is about?

Yes, exactly like the man in the article. People are trying to make this into some political, partisan fight, which causes people’s trust in experts to be eroded. There’s a whole story about this called the boy who cried wolf.

The only trust that should be eroded is the one on Trump who, despite his beliefs, is not an expert in anything I can imagine.

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Post by [deleted] »

blunte wrote: post #24
baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

I'm inclined to argue about the title "most powerful nation on this planet". It's a nice tagline, but the metrics for which it applies are narrowing rapidly. But still, let this be a lesson to those who would follow bad leaders to their own demise; or rather, let it be a lesson to their offspring who watch them follow the bad leaders. I suspect humanity follows cycles of enlightenment, complacency, and self-destructi…

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Post by marklacey »

wildrhythms wrote: post #89
pkaye wrote: post #81

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Acetaminophen is also easy to overdose and has been recommended as a fever reducer for Coronavirus.

Who is recommending acetaminophen for coronavirus fever reduction? Provide a source.

WHO: https://news.yahoo.com/avoid-taking-ibuprofen-covid-19-sympt...

> Asked about the study, WHO spokesman Christian Lindmeier told reporters in Geneva the UN health agency's experts were "looking into this to give further guidance."

> "In the meantime, we recommend using rather paracetamol, and do not use ibuprofen as a self-medication. That's important," he said.

Paracetamol = acetaminophen: https://www.drugs.com/paracetamol.html

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Post by belorn »

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

Reading down the comments on this thread, there is a big question. How did this person acquire the drug? It seems to be a controlled substance, ie a prescription drug for malaria, so what happened? Did they also happen to be diagnosed for malaria?

In times like this we should advocate for more information and getting facts out.

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