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Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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post #167

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"Mr. Zhao’s remarks were spread on China’s most prominent social media platform, Weibo, under a hashtag: #ZhaoLijianPostedFiveTweetsinaRowQuestioningAmerica. By late afternoon on Friday, that hashtag had been viewed more than 160 million times, along with screenshots of the original Twitter posts."

Do you find the US government responsible for a conspiracy theory being popular on social media?

Did a US official start it on a platform controlled by the US... then yeah maybe.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#202
post #15

So, what’s the difference between a “wet market” and the sort of familiar farmer’s market of butchers/fishmongers/etc. that five-star restaurants source from all over the world? This article seems to be doing a motte-and-bailey of grossing you out with things that are just “regular meat wholesaler things” (e.g. fresh meat sitting out on ice without refrigeration) and then moralizing about the specific kinds of meats…

H5N1, SARS and COVID-19 have been traced back to asian wet markets. Seeing the effects COVID-19 has I really don't care what cultural or emotional reason you could have for those markets. Just BAN everything that could ever allow this. The thought that we knew it could happen AND that it already happened blows my mind.

> Just BAN everything that could ever allow this.

How?

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#203

Time to reban them. They were banned after SARS and that worked, no new diseases from China for a few years. Then they were permitted again and we got MERS and now COVID-19. China needs to learn its lesson for good this time...

> .. we got MERS

Chinese wet-markets sell camels? Really?

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#204
post #62

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I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…

The CCP aggressively fought the virus, giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.

Brave Chinese doctors and healthcare providers fought the virus.

The CCP is a political party whose sole interest is in consolidating power.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#205

Time to reban them. They were banned after SARS and that worked, no new diseases from China for a few years. Then they were permitted again and we got MERS and now COVID-19. China needs to learn its lesson for good this time...

> .. we got MERS Chinese wet-markets sell camels? Really?

Yes, according to the list of available animals in this Vox video (skip to 3:05 for the menu): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#206
post #188

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> Though it does not excuse many of China's initial actions... This qualifier, "initial", makes me think you are arguing that their subsequent actions are excusable. I'd argue they aren't excusable, even from a completely amoral utilitarian perspective - because nothing they've done even looks rational. Accusing the other party in trade negotiations of releasing a biological weapon, coincidentally right next to your…

>This qualifier, "initial", makes me think you are arguing that their subsequent actions are excusable. Over the past months they have made many good moves, and their conduct after signing the trade deal in early January seems decent. >Accusing the other party in trade negotiations of releasing a biological weapon, coincidentally right next to your own infectious disease facility One member of the foreign department…

> ...reply to the "US accusation" that the virus was unleashed intentionally by the Chinese.

Oh that is an easy one. That US accusation was actually open speculation by Indian and German researchers examining the only data that China was willing to share with the rest of the world. They weren't accused of intentionally unleashing it, but negligence was speculated - the lying and secrecy is the cause for that, and they have only themselves to blame. China had allowed only one outside crisis team in, from the WHO (which lost credibility long ago) - and they only spent a single day in Wuhan. Around that time it was discovered that China had been under-reporting infections by an order of magnitude, every province coincidentally made the same calculation error for the same period of time.

> ...they're fairly common tactics worldwide.

This is all unprecedented. We have never seen such transparent lies counter-messaged in near realtime by way of opensource intelligence. Grassroots btw, the corporate response has been denial - followed by a week or two of softening messaging, then admission to the truth. The information surrounding cross species transmissibility is a good example: videos starting popping up of Chinese people hurling their pets from rooftops in response to government warnings with regard to transmissibility. The corporate media immediately swung into action, declaring any such talk as racist FakeNews™ - but they were wrong again.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#207
post #28

Why does anyone think these markets are okay?

Wet markets? Do you want to be able to go to a market and buy fresh fish? Do you think that's an option that should be available to you or to your favourite restaurant owner? Because if so, then well done, you're one of the people that think these markets are ok. Edit: Here's Gordon Ramsey giving you a guide on how to buy good fish (spoiler: he's at a wet market) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GTTXJKZ08Q

No. I have no interest in doing that.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#209

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The swine flu was manageable, because it's a type of flu. The problem with those wet markets, just like with bush meat in Africa, is that they promote new types of viruses. Fixing those markets is not going to stop all new diseases, but it will prevent some of the most dangerous to emerge. The main concern here is that the issue has been long known, and unlike poor, wild Africa where taking action is nearly impossibl…

> The swine flu was manageable, because it's a type of flu. How about the 1918 flu, misnamed "Spanish" even though the earliest known cases were in Kansas? That's the closest parallel we have to COVID-19, and it wasn't cause by Traditional Chinese Medicine or bush meat or anything like that.

You say Kansas, some people have pointed at China. I read a book a long time ago that said France, more specifically a US or UK military camp where pigs, horses, chickens and wounded men were in close quarters.

In any case, the start of the epidemic during WW1 hints that the origin may be linked to it. That bushmeat or wet markets are currently a huge risk does not mean that there are no other types of risky situations.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#210

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> The swine flu was manageable, because it's a type of flu. How about the 1918 flu, misnamed "Spanish" even though the earliest known cases were in Kansas? That's the closest parallel we have to COVID-19, and it wasn't cause by Traditional Chinese Medicine or bush meat or anything like that.

You say Kansas, some people have pointed at China. I read a book a long time ago that said France, more specifically a US or UK military camp where pigs, horses, chickens and wounded men were in close quarters. In any case, the start of the epidemic during WW1 hints that the origin may be linked to it. That bushmeat or wet markets are currently a huge risk does not mean that there are no other types of risky situatio…

Of course someone said it was China. It's only slightly more surprising that they'd say France, but some people will jump at any chance to place the blame "over there" and it has nothing to do with the science. The earliest documented cases were in Haskell county, from which it spread to Fort Riley, and from there to the WW1 front, etc.

https://www.kansas.com/news/local/article200880539.html

Note that it's a Kansas source. People there don't deny it.

> In any case, the start of the epidemic during WW1 hints that the origin may be linked to it.

Citation needed. The war certainly contributed to its spread but that's not the same as its origin.

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