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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by brodouevencode »

adultSwim wrote: post #80
asclepi wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…

Should we be sanctioned for creating mad cow?

Mad cow could hardly be called a pandemic. A whopping 231 total cases. It caused a little economic damage and comparatively no human damage.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by brodouevencode »

benrbray wrote: post #112
adultSwim wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CCP aggressively fought the virus, giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.

I'm sorry, what? They only started to do the right thing once they realized a cover-up wouldn't be successful [1]. Even then, we're still hearing about attempts to silence scientists and destroy evidence. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/asia/china-coronavi...

Read through @adultSwim's comment history. Hardcore on the side of the CCP.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by thundergolfer »

lucian1900 wrote: post #77

It's not actually known yet what the source of Covid19 is. There's some evidence it may have originated in the US, partly confirmed by the CDC https://twitter.com/BlackHammerOrg/status/124032448907179212... In addition, factory farming is arguably worse than wet markets, with plenty of diseases originating from it so far.

We should ban both factory farming and wet markets. If people want to ban the latter and not the former, they’re either ignorant of the massive problems with factory farming or have a super dubious double standard.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by arcticbull »

adultSwim wrote: post #80
asclepi wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…

Should we be sanctioned for creating mad cow?

Not to mention that all the leafy green recalls, such as E. Coli in the lettuce this January [1] and salmonella in the spinach last September [2]. This happens every few months, and has for as long as I can remember.

E. Coli comes from faecal contamination so someone's been pooping in America's leafy greens for years. Not sure there's a whole lot of moral high-ground there.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2019/o157h7-11-19/index.html

[2] https://www.healthline.com/health-news/spinach-recalled-over...

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by arcticbull »

brodouevencode wrote: post #141
adultSwim wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we be sanctioned for creating mad cow?

Mad cow could hardly be called a pandemic. A whopping 231 total cases. It caused a little economic damage and comparatively no human damage.

A lot of economic damage, over 4.4 million cows were slaughtered [1]

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45906585

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by slavik81 »

derefr wrote: post #82
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #27

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> So, what’s the difference between a “wet market” and the sort of familiar farmer’s market 1) The wet market is full of live animals in close proximity and very unsanitary conditions. So pathogens are more likely to still be alive, and can jump between diverse hosts, not just to humans. 2) The wet market is full of non-domesticated , exotic animals which carry pathogens humans are not acquainted to.

Re 1: you’re probably picturing your local butcher shop. Don’t. Picture a pier in a coastal town. The lobsters? Alive. The oysters? Alive. In close proximity? Certainly. Sitting right beside a bunch of gutted fish and processed chum? Yup. That’s a wet market. You can’t name one thing going on in Wuhan that doesn’t happen on such a pier. Even the general approach of “whatever we catch, we sell” is the same. And yet, n…

It's not the same. Live ocean creatures are isolated from each other. They're stored in water-tight containers by necessity. By contrast, live land animals are stored in cages and often stacked on top of each other.

Vox has a video explaining "Why new diseases keep appearing in China" [1]. They include footage of Chinese wet markets around the 2:00 mark. I think they make an excellent case for strictly regulating, or even outright banning wet markets.

Long ago, Europe had the same problem. The cities were full of wet markets, and were basically the perfect conditions for creating new plagues. There's a nice CGP Grey video on this, "Americapox: The Missing Plague" [2].

[1]: https://youtu.be/TPpoJGYlW54 [2]: https://youtu.be/JEYh5WACqEk

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by holtalanm »

Traster wrote: post #136
holtalanm wrote: post #58

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that isn't a wet market. apparently just regular food markets are considered wet markets by people that don't know what a wet market is. those fish are DEAD. one staple of a wet market is LIVE ANIMALS.

So I'm hearing you want to ban all sea food restaurants.

i don't believe I advocated banning anything within these post comments.

but if you want to accuse me of that, you do you.

since we're on the topic, a sea food restaurant proably wouldn't classify as a wet market, since the only live animals there are fish.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by unbendable »

derefr wrote: post #15

So, what’s the difference between a “wet market” and the sort of familiar farmer’s market of butchers/fishmongers/etc. that five-star restaurants source from all over the world? This article seems to be doing a motte-and-bailey of grossing you out with things that are just “regular meat wholesaler things” (e.g. fresh meat sitting out on ice without refrigeration) and then moralizing about the specific kinds of meats…

H5N1, SARS and COVID-19 have been traced back to asian wet markets. Seeing the effects COVID-19 has I really don't care what cultural or emotional reason you could have for those markets. Just BAN everything that could ever allow this. The thought that we knew it could happen AND that it already happened blows my mind.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by Gibbon1 »

LatteLazy wrote: post #86

Time to reban them. They were banned after SARS and that worked, no new diseases from China for a few years. Then they were permitted again and we got MERS and now COVID-19. China needs to learn its lesson for good this time...

Just point out MERS originated in the middle east. And then there is also Australia’s 1994 Hendra virus outbreak where corona viruses made the jump from flying foxes to horses. People working with the infected horses fell ill and two died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henipavirus#Hendra_virus

Also human to human orthohantavirus in South America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andes_orthohantavirus

So it's not just China here. People can dream of punishing China all they want but the basic problem isn't going away.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by brodouevencode »

thundergolfer wrote: post #138
brodouevencode wrote: post #87

Why not fix the root of the problem and remove the totalitarian socialist regime forcing it's citizens to resort to eating wild animals from questionable sources because of the lack of economic opportunity available to them. Forgive the crassness there but in a fairer less restrictive economy this almost certainly wouldn't have been a problem.

Chinese people are not forced into using Pangolins and Bats in Chinese herbal medicine. Also, plenty of capitalist countries have wet markets. The author literally talks about her experiences in Singapore.

Which also offer higher standards because it's citizens demand it and can get it from other sources. Unfortunately the Chinese citizens cannot because they have no economic leverage.
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