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New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by rhodysurf »

lostgame wrote: post #310
rhodysurf wrote: post #297

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But why does that have to be how it is? Why shouldnt I be able to compile c++ programs, go programs, etc? needing an ipa is an arbitrary restriction dev wise Also you can run js, node, etc just fine right now on an iPad (but not node and that sucks)

My issue is you’re asking for Pepsi before Coke has been invented, if that’s an effective metaphor? It’s like, slow down, let’s get Apple’s own native solution in there before we get a third party one? If not only to make sure it’s done right? Currently the App Store’s restriction that it can’t run arbitrary code is the best one.

I disagree and would love to run arbitrary code on a device I own.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by qubex »

askafriend wrote: post #451
qubex wrote: post #438

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Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

It's clear no one here knows any 3D artist, illustrators, graphic designers, UI/UX designers, photographers, videographers, musicians, etc Because if they did, they wouldn't make some of the silly comments I've seen here.

Well beyond those (other) specialised use-cases (which are admittedly well catered-for by the current iPad hardware and software offerings), I find that the iPad Pro is a wonderful machine for most of my business workflow: constructing and editing spreadsheets in Numbers and Excel, writing documents in Pages and Word, doing serious computation using Wolfram Online (“Cloud-based Mathematica, irksome though it may be to not have a local computing instance), and of course the usual web-browsing & emailing kind of activity.

The device literally has the form factor of a thick notebook when folded inside its robust Logitech keyboard case, connects to the internet over 4G (if no WiFi is available), and is a perfect work environment.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by rapind »

blihp wrote: post #449
chrisseaton wrote: post #434

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> if you want to any real work Here we go again with this 'real work' nonsense. What counts as 'real work' to you? A friend of a mine is a barrister and uses an iPad pro to take and use notes. He's definitely doing 'real work' just fine on his iPad.

It's not nonsense, it's just different use cases. For office productivity applications, of course the majority of users will be just fine. For many technical people, 'real' work tends to mean heavy compute and/or I/O workloads which most laptops don't do well with let alone mobile devices.

A proper shell I can ssh with is really all I would need to do my real programming tasks. So even technical work could be broken down further.

I wouldn't use an iPad for this though. The shell's are all a compromise and I'm waiting for a great e-ink display so I can remote from a park / beach / patio.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by qubex »

elorant wrote: post #447
qubex wrote: post #438

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Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

Tiny, but very influential with deep pockets. Apple wouldn't be where it is today on their laptop business if developers haven't adopted en masse their macbooks.

[citation needed] — meaning that merely because developers perceive themselves as being directly influential doesn’t mean that they are necessarily. Sure, developers ultimately dictate the success or failure of a platform by choosing to populate its ecosystem of applications or give it a pass, but I assure you that if the only way to develop for iOS/iPadOS were a clunky UNIVAC fed with punched cards, developers would be hand-punching ‘em cards in order to get on the runaway bandwagon of the successful platform.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by blihp »

chrisseaton wrote: post #457
blihp wrote: post #449

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It's not nonsense, it's just different use cases. For office productivity applications, of course the majority of users will be just fine. For many technical people, 'real' work tends to mean heavy compute and/or I/O workloads which most laptops don't do well with let alone mobile devices.

Yes everyone has different use cases - so why do we denigrate some people's use cases as not 'real work'?

I think this is mainly a historical thing with Apple's product naming. Their 'pro' designation doesn't mean what it used to mean and so a lot of the denigration is probably more targeting Apple than their users.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by wlesieutre »

bleachedsleet wrote: post #440
pwthornton wrote: post #427

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This would ruin the iPad. MacOS is a great windowing OS. It’s not made for touchscreens. MS has been doing this weird dance where they tried to smoosh two OSes together and created one bad OS. The absolute worst was when Windows 8 first came out, and I keep accidentally getting into tablet mode on my non-touch screen laptop. Apple is taking the correct course which is to build a new OS from the ground up and adding p…

May I ask how you manage to get into tablet mode unintentionally? I've never experienced this issue and it was my understanding that this is only possible to switch over by opening the action center and turning it on...both very deliberate actions that seem hard to do by accident. I'm not being sarcastic either, though. I work in a repair shop and one of the most common things people bring their devices in for is the…

It's been years since I had one, but IIRC it could change based on folding the keyboard back behind the computer. I vaguely remember having connectivity issues with the keyboard (sometimes needing to remove and reattach it so that I could type), and that may also have caused issues for the automatic mode switching.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by millzlane »

pwthornton wrote: post #427
millzlane wrote: post #384

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Until you can run MacOS on it, it will always pale in comparison to a Surface pro. You can do some things well on a iPad pro. But you can do anything on a Surface pro except run MacOS. Well I looked and it looks like some have installed MacOS or used vmware images.

This would ruin the iPad. MacOS is a great windowing OS. It’s not made for touchscreens. MS has been doing this weird dance where they tried to smoosh two OSes together and created one bad OS. The absolute worst was when Windows 8 first came out, and I keep accidentally getting into tablet mode on my non-touch screen laptop. Apple is taking the correct course which is to build a new OS from the ground up and adding p…

I wasn't fond of the windows start menu when they decided to replace the list style with the tiles. But that is long gone. Long live the windows start menu.

But seriously If ipadOS doesn't at least allow for backwards compatibility with the software from MacOS. The iPad will never be a replacement for your Mac computer. It will only be an expensive surrogate.

The windowing OS vs Touch OS is definitely a good point. But here we are coming full circle to adding a track pad to a touch os. Sound like apple is a bit confused about what they're offering also. I can't imagine them ever making the ipadOS on par with the Mac operating system. Unless we can start running any type of code on it. It will be the handicapped device.

The Surface pros make great tablets when you ditch the windows app store and run android APK's on them instead.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by jkaptur »

qubex wrote: post #436
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

I’d wager that much of your incredulity regarding the suitability of iPads to doing “real work” hinges very sensitively upon what your conception of “real work” is, and that your judgement of utility follows suit. I’ve been using a succession of iPads as my main computing platforms since the first iteration was released ten years ago . Initial releases were a bit of a compromise, but the arrival of multitasking, mult…

> the risk of multitasking

Do you worry about iOS's overaggressive autocorrect?

(I'm just kidding, I know people are actually pretty close to as fast and accurate on mobile vs. desktop/laptop: https://userinterfaces.aalto.fi/typing37k/)

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by wlesieutre »

birdyrooster wrote: post #439
pwthornton wrote: post #427

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This would ruin the iPad. MacOS is a great windowing OS. It’s not made for touchscreens. MS has been doing this weird dance where they tried to smoosh two OSes together and created one bad OS. The absolute worst was when Windows 8 first came out, and I keep accidentally getting into tablet mode on my non-touch screen laptop. Apple is taking the correct course which is to build a new OS from the ground up and adding p…

Could you imagine "macOS" mode in iPad OS? It's simple: app screens in iPad OS turn into windows on macOS and vice versa in a easy to understand way. It remembers the window positioning and screen ordering as you switch between modes. The mouse automatically is added and removed when you switch between modes. It would not ruin the iPad, it would ruin Apple's bottom line.

Macs aren't even 10% of Apple's revenue, so it can't do that much to their bottom line.

I don't think that would be a great experience, but if it made the iPad into a stronger competitor to Surface Pro and similar Windows convertibles, it might bring in enough new business to counteract any drop in Mac sales.

Apple has their Handoff feature for moving program state from one device to another, maybe that could be adapted for on-device handoff between a Mac and iPadOS version of the same software.

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