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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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It's only about $40 more than a Magic Keyboard and Magic Trackpad 2. Toss in a cover which can act as a stand, and you're probably close to the same price. Input accessories are getting pricy.

Don't forget that it is backlit and because it has power in also adds effectively an additional USB C port, thow in a case and you are well over the top. The current Smart Keyboard Folio + Magic Trackpad 2 is $310.

I guess. I mean but at this point, why not just by a macbook?

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This is a device that doesn't support other browser rendering engines or even toy compilers, long way to go before something like VSCode could be possible, a product that let's you trivially slipstream in any renderer/script engine/compiler you want at a single click. Plus would it really be an "iPad" with you sacrifice the whole security model to allow debugging?

VS Code has incredibly good "remote" debugging setups. [0] You can install a VS Code "server" on e.g. your Linux developer machine, then connect to it via your VS Code "client" on your iPad. You get local intellisense and the like, but actual execution of code is done on your Linux server. You can replace Linux server with Windows, or even containers (so you can have your "server" be a local Linux docker image if you…

It's more usable to use jump desktop and vnc into your desktop computer to use vs code.

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I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

It makes a ton of sense if the iPad is cheaper than the Surface. It stops making sense because of Apple's pricing model.

The original argument for tablet computers in the first place was that sometimes you don't need a full-fledged computer, so you pocket $400-500 and get something cheap instead that's a limited but still quality device. And I think that would still be true with the iPad Pro. You want something that's closer to a full computer, with a real keyboard, but you still want to pocket some money.

Except... the pricing is awful.

It's like they designed a product for a real niche, and then stopped thinking about that niche as soon as they got out of the design phase and started working on implementation.

As a point of comparison, even if you hate Windows with a passion, you can get the new Macbook Air they just announced for basically the same exact cost as an iPad Pro + keyboard, and that comes with a full-featured OS. Is a Macbook Air as portable? Maybe not, but it's still pretty darn portable.

You're giving up the pencil, but you're getting a better OS on a computer with better specs. But I guess if you're a digital artist, and you prefer the iPad pencil over the Surface pen or Wacom tablets, and having a full OS doesn't matter for you -- this might be exciting. That seems like it would be a narrow demographic, but what do I know? I'm sure it'll sell well.

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Me neither. The hardware they offer is absolutely fantastic. And some of the software (from e.g. Panic or OmniGroup). But even running a decent terminal requires purchasing an app and setting up mosh on the other side. There's no Esc in their keyboards. There are too many roadblocks and glitches. I wish I could buy an iPad and simply open a terminal and ssh to my machine of choice. Right now, it's much easier to buy…

Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

Sure, but a decent share of Apple's success was due to making OS X a very nice development platform. This attracted developers who created great desktop and mobile software. So I'd argue it's in Apple's best interest to keep developers happy.

Also, is it that hard for a giant of Apple's size to put a fully fledged terminal in iPadOS?

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What is the size of the app market for iPad software? Does this device matter to that market? I still feel like my own iPad usage is mostly locked by a weak software ecosystem, and while the hardware is impressive, it still seems like complete overkill for the current ecosystem. I want to use it more, but the software for things I would have expected on the iPad, like 3D design, music production, etc, are often limit…

For music (and video) production, check out Henny Tha Bizness. He talks a lot about the music apps he uses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5kUpbeRgPA (I follow him for the video side, so I only know Lumafusion)

For music production, I lost my best audio inputs, like the Apogee One, when "upgrading" to the iPad Pro. This was purely a move on Apple's part, and it appears that Apogee is not just going to do much about it: https://knowledgebase.apogeedigital.com/duet-ipad-mac/apogee...

It's significant because Apogee was a _partner_ and this device shows up on the _Apple store under music creativity_: https://www.apple.com/shop/ipad/ipad-accessories/creativity?...

Keep in mind this $300 device is a brick on the new iPads.

At this point, I'm loathe to purchase anything just to work with the iPad Pro, because these devices work fine and continue to work fine with my other devices.

This appears to work for _electronic_ music just fine, however, but for demos the iPad is a fantastic platform. But now you're left with... figuring it out, I guess.

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Me neither. The hardware they offer is absolutely fantastic. And some of the software (from e.g. Panic or OmniGroup). But even running a decent terminal requires purchasing an app and setting up mosh on the other side. There's no Esc in their keyboards. There are too many roadblocks and glitches. I wish I could buy an iPad and simply open a terminal and ssh to my machine of choice. Right now, it's much easier to buy…

Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

Tiny, but very influential with deep pockets. Apple wouldn't be where it is today on their laptop business if developers haven't adopted en masse their macbooks.

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I had the first five generations of Surface Pros. I agree that they can be your main computer. They have compromises but overall they work fine. For example, they don't have the computational power as the top end MacBook Pros but they are extremely portable and have a touch screen. I eventually went back to MacOS for work. My Macbook Pro is a great companion to my iPad Pro. I use both 50/50 depending on the scenario.…

Can you run xcode on iPad?

Nope. I use Juno for Jupyter notebooks.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

> if you want to any real work Here we go again with this 'real work' nonsense. What counts as 'real work' to you? A friend of a mine is a barrister and uses an iPad pro to take and use notes. He's definitely doing 'real work' just fine on his iPad.

It's not nonsense, it's just different use cases. For office productivity applications, of course the majority of users will be just fine. For many technical people, 'real' work tends to mean heavy compute and/or I/O workloads which most laptops don't do well with let alone mobile devices.

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

> if you want to any real work Here we go again with this 'real work' nonsense. What counts as 'real work' to you? A friend of a mine is a barrister and uses an iPad pro to take and use notes. He's definitely doing 'real work' just fine on his iPad.

He didn’t claim you couldn’t do real work, he claimed there were better alternatives for your money.

And if real work is just taking notes, then I think you really need to question whether an iPad Pro is the right choice among the iPad lineup.

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