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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by askafriend »

qubex wrote: post #438
nextos wrote: post #430

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Me neither. The hardware they offer is absolutely fantastic. And some of the software (from e.g. Panic or OmniGroup). But even running a decent terminal requires purchasing an app and setting up mosh on the other side. There's no Esc in their keyboards. There are too many roadblocks and glitches. I wish I could buy an iPad and simply open a terminal and ssh to my machine of choice. Right now, it's much easier to buy…

Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

It's clear no one here knows any 3D artist, illustrators, graphic designers, UI/UX designers, photographers, videographers, musicians, etc

Because if they did, they wouldn't make some of the silly comments I've seen here.

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Post by rowanG077 »

72deluxe wrote: post #301
rowanG077 wrote: post #298

You can't even imagine how hard I wish I could run Linux on this thing. The hardware is just so good. But it's just not possible to work with the useless OS that's on there...

With X or Wayland????

I don't care.

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Post by mr_tristan »

claudeganon wrote: post #164
mr_tristan wrote: post #152

What is the size of the app market for iPad software? Does this device matter to that market? I still feel like my own iPad usage is mostly locked by a weak software ecosystem, and while the hardware is impressive, it still seems like complete overkill for the current ecosystem. I want to use it more, but the software for things I would have expected on the iPad, like 3D design, music production, etc, are often limit…

It’s big on the creative side of things if you can make good software. Most artists love the iPad Pro, but absolutely despise Adobe. All my friends have spent good chunks of money on apps like Procreate, Clip Studio, and the Affinity apps, just to be free of Adobe

For 3D modeling, I've still not found a replacement for Fusion 360. It does appear that there are products like shapr3d that are interesting for some basic conceptualization, but, there aren't things like, say, a sheet of default variables you can use to restrict your design to. It seems like these tools are for some rough sketching, but, the intent is probably to move the concepts into a desktop CAD system.

This makes me wonder how big the iPad software market really is in comparison. It seems "tethered" to other platforms.

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Post by lostapathy »

ben7799 wrote: post #379
wlesieutre wrote: post #330

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It does support files on external storage devices now with the USB-C port. It also supports SMB shares, which is great since I keep most of my stuff on a NAS and can access it over my VPN. Developer tools are an obvious weak point, but FWIW I sold my Surface to buy an iPad Pro a few years ago and I'm happier with this. Considering an upgrade from 2016 model (9.7" with lightning) to the new ones. It wouldn't work as m…

Yah.. USB-C, so I carry a dongle with the iPad Pro that I don't have to carry with my Surface Pro. I wouldn't have to buy the dongle cause I already have a great collection of them because I have a USB-C-only MacBook Pro. But I still have bought 0 actual devices that have USB-C. And it's not just external storage devices. It was always such a mess. E.x. with the Camera connection kit on the iPad Pro: - My Canon 5D wo…

The camera connection kit is a quirky weird stepchild for Apple.

It works well with about anything on the iPhone - although some devices require a powered lightning cable.

On iPad, the same devices will all work, but it's a lot fussier about what powered lightning cable you use.

For example - I have a USB-C to lightning cable and a USB-PD charger. If I use those with the camera connection kit, my iPhone will access any USB storage device I've connected. It won't work on the iPad. But if use a USB-A to lightning cable to a 2 amp power supply, the same devices work fine on the ipad. go figure.

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Post by cptskippy »

qubex wrote: post #436
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

I’d wager that much of your incredulity regarding the suitability of iPads to doing “real work” hinges very sensitively upon what your conception of “real work” is, and that your judgement of utility follows suit. I’ve been using a succession of iPads as my main computing platforms since the first iteration was released ten years ago . Initial releases were a bit of a compromise, but the arrival of multitasking, mult…

It seems like they're slowly implementing paradigm safe versions of features from Desktop OSes into iPadOS in order to gradually bleed off the MacOS userbase since locking MacOS down to the App Store paradigm didn't pan out.

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Post by chrisseaton »

blihp wrote: post #449
chrisseaton wrote: post #434

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> if you want to any real work Here we go again with this 'real work' nonsense. What counts as 'real work' to you? A friend of a mine is a barrister and uses an iPad pro to take and use notes. He's definitely doing 'real work' just fine on his iPad.

It's not nonsense, it's just different use cases. For office productivity applications, of course the majority of users will be just fine. For many technical people, 'real' work tends to mean heavy compute and/or I/O workloads which most laptops don't do well with let alone mobile devices.

Yes everyone has different use cases - so why do we denigrate some people's use cases as not 'real work'?

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Post by BillinghamJ »

Someone1234 wrote: post #235
eugeniub wrote: post #230

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Yeah and the iPad already allows code execution/debugging with Playgrounds, Pythonista, etc. You can even run a full Linux shell locally on an iPad with iSH ( https://ish.app/ ).

The discussion is debugging other processes, none of those can do that. If you cannot hook and debug e.g. Node.js then VSCode on iPad isn't useful.

An awful lot of people use VSC without ever using its debugging features.

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Post by askafriend »

zozbot234 wrote: post #435
Slippery_John wrote: post #264

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Once I got my ipad pro I basically stopped using my laptop for anything but programming and video games. The former is basically just waiting on tooling and the latter is only a problem because the specific games I want to play aren't available. I think the iPad will be the long term winner here. Legacy OS's are just way too reliant on keyboard / mouse. Having owned a Surface Book, I can easily say that the tablet mo…

> Having owned a Surface Book, I can easily say that the tablet mode is not workable with the software ecosystem that exists. Many Surface devices can run Linux+GNOME natively, and that software UX is at least as workable on a tablet as iPadOS, probably more so. Proprietary apps are lacking, of course (not always a bad thing) but some are available via Flatpak or (in a pinch) Snap.

I'm sorry but "workable" isn't good enough and "lacking apps" is a total showstopper.

The bar is extremely high and people aren't going to settle - the notion that they might is just a techie pipe dream.

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Post by Aunche »

vlunkr wrote: post #422
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

Like all Apple products, Ipads "just work," which is the most important thing for regular users. My Surfacebook has a lot of network connectivity issues, and I recall that being an issue for all Surface products at the time.
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