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Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by sandos »

watwut wrote: post #359
mynegation wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to agree with you, I would like to know as well. But consider this: if it is cold or flu - would you want to risk your health being more prone to the infection while your immune system fights another virus, or bringing more people into the same situation in circumstances like these?

If it is cold of flu, when it passed, it passed. 7 days and you are fine. Corona is can get better and become worst and take weeks. So it is still a difference.

Is it a fact that corona in general takes long to get better from? Thats not what Ive heard/read. Unless you are unlucky and get pneumonia.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by nodamage »

surfsvammel wrote: post #339
warabe wrote: post #237

I live in Japan and I experience mild symptoms since last Wednesday but not sure if my symptom is due to Covid-19. In Japan, You have meet two conditions to take a CPR test. 1. the symptoms with fever of 37.5 degrees or more continue for 4 days or more (for the eldery and those with underlying disease, "4 days" becomes "2 days") 2. you have strong laxity (malaise) or breathlessness (dyspnea), or you have underlying d…

I think there is a more reasonable explanation why they are not testing you. Simply because they wouldn’t do anything with that information anyway. If the test is positive they’ll send you home to quarantine telling you to call back if your fever worsens. If the test would show negative, they’d tell you, guess what; “please call back if your fever worsens, and stay in quarantine anyway”. So the information doesn’t re…

> Unless you are in a risk group, the test doesn’t really make a difference.

If the test is positive, you can self-quarantine and notify everyone you've been in contact with that they need testing. Then any one of those people that tests positive can do the same thing, etc. etc.

If you don't do any testing, you end up with a bunch of positive but asymptomatic carriers wandering around unknowingly infecting other people.

South Korea is taking this approach and they seem to be doing a lot better than most other countries.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by drclau »

lend000 wrote: post #63

I'm not a confirmed case, but I'm a 90% sure case based on symptoms and symptoms of people I have been in close contact with, and so far the experience has been relatively mild, in the literal sense. The primary discomfort has likely been the anxiety of how the tightness in my chest might progress (which ironically can also cause chest tightness). I'm in a low risk group. I had lethargy and high fever the first day o…

Note that I am not an M.D. But, consider getting a pulse oximeter. You can use it to assess your respiratory function (more) objectively. Anxiety and panic attacks can impact your oxygen saturation, but unlikely to do so to dangerous levels.

Again, I'm not an MD. Maybe someone from the field of medicine can add their thoughts here.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by brandonhorst »

emaste wrote: post #374
sveng wrote: post #346

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aka Tylenol (acetaminophen) in the USA. Consult your doctor. Not sure what this means for children, but this directive against NSAIDs is a really important development in treatment protocols for COVID-19.

Tylenol / acetaminophen is not an NSAID.

Grandparent was saying that paracetamol is a synonym for Tylenlol/acetaminophen

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by TrumpMyGuns »

medbrane wrote: post #341
rickyc091 wrote: post #209

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It's useless in the sense that you can still contract the virus with a mask. Let's say they are using the surgeon's mask, someone can sneeze and it can get in through the side. The n95 has a better seal so that can prevent it, but what if someone sneezes and it gets into your eye. I would say some protection is better than nothing, but don't assume you will be protected from coronavirus 100%.

>but don't assume you will be protected from coronavirus 100%. Washing hands does not protects you 100% so why bother?

Exactly. There is this strange "holier than thou" attitude from a lot of the anti-maksers. I think people are just upset they don't have them for themselves, and this is how it's expressed.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by nicoburns »

takeda wrote: post #380
kkwteh wrote: post #330

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In the Guardian article in the parent comment, the warning says that any anti-inflammatory drug may be a risk, not just NSAIDs. They include cortisone as an example of a drug to avoid, which is a non-NSAID anti-inflammatory.

Wouldn't that just leave steroids, which is generally never good idea to give when you have an infection as far as I know.

I think it's generally the case that taking pain killers isn't a fantastic idea when you have an infection. Of course, for mild infections there's little consequence, but in this case it might be best to avoid them. Just wrap up warm and stay hydrated.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by nicoburns »

12elephant wrote: post #293
dragonwriter wrote: post #31

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Yeah,and the high hospitalization and ICU rates become high case fatality rates once medical infrastructure is saturated, as well as increasing the case fatality rate for every other condition that creates a critical need for inpatient care. That's where Italy definitely is, and where it seems Iran is evn moreso (though they are less public about it.)

What no one is talking about is how much social distancing/isolation is needed to avoid hospital saturation. I ran the numbers for Canada, and it looks like we'd need isolation measures for 2+ years. I don't see how that's a feasible solution long-term.

The numbers I ran for the UK put it at 12 years:

No. People in UK: ~66,000,000

Est. proportion of people who will get sick: 80%

Est. proportion of sick people who require intensive care: 5% (in Italy it's 10%)

So that's 60,000,0000.80.05 = 2,640,000

Number of ICU beds in the UK: ~4100 (90% occupied, but let's ignore that for now)

Length of time ICU required: at least 1 week (probably longer, but let's ignore that too)

So that's 2,640,000 / 4100 = 644 weeks or 12 years that we would need to spread the cases over in order to have enough capacity.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by jtbayly »

12elephant wrote: post #293
dragonwriter wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah,and the high hospitalization and ICU rates become high case fatality rates once medical infrastructure is saturated, as well as increasing the case fatality rate for every other condition that creates a critical need for inpatient care. That's where Italy definitely is, and where it seems Iran is evn moreso (though they are less public about it.)

What no one is talking about is how much social distancing/isolation is needed to avoid hospital saturation. I ran the numbers for Canada, and it looks like we'd need isolation measures for 2+ years. I don't see how that's a feasible solution long-term.

I'd like to see more discussion around this point. I don't care where you got the numbers from. It's been clear from a glance that 3 weeks of cancelled school isn't going to do anything. So now we're looking at 8 weeks. Umm.... According to what? Which is more likely, 8 weeks or 2 years? I don't know, but I'm guessing 8 weeks isn't nearly long enough.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by groby_b »

mynegation wrote: post #358
JoshTko wrote: post #356

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I'm always wary of any strategy that is fine with having less information. Of course cost of information is never zero but in this case the actual cost of tests is relatively low.

The cost as in “COGS + markup” may be low but the opportunity cost (cost of not doing a test when it is more important) might be higher when the supply of tests and lab time is limited. While it is absolutely important to ramp up both, it is a different story.

^^^^^^^

This, right here. The entire world is struggling to get enough testing supplies. Testing somebody who's experiencing mild symptoms takes away from testing cases that are much more important - because part of what is happening right now is that everybody with a light fever is all "I GOT THE COVIDS" and wants a test.

Fact of the matter: We don't have enough tests, worldwide. We can't produce them fast enough. We need to triage.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by Amarok »

warabe wrote: post #237

I live in Japan and I experience mild symptoms since last Wednesday but not sure if my symptom is due to Covid-19. In Japan, You have meet two conditions to take a CPR test. 1. the symptoms with fever of 37.5 degrees or more continue for 4 days or more (for the eldery and those with underlying disease, "4 days" becomes "2 days") 2. you have strong laxity (malaise) or breathlessness (dyspnea), or you have underlying d…

If you're really desperate for a test go to the hospital and say you feel breathless. Dyspnoea is a subjective symptom but no doctor worth it's salt would just ignore it without investigating further.
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