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Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by graphememes »

Summershard wrote: post #550
tikiman163 wrote: post #543

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Skype is crap, it was doomed to die around that time frame anyway. If anything, Microsoft Business kept Skype going longer than it would have otherwise. Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts, Slack or Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) and then tell me that Skype was ruined by integrating with Microsoft's other product base. The closest argument you might be able to make is th…

> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) Personal experience, but I have not found a single person who likes MS Teams. Usually people around me say that Slack is ok-ish, while MS Teams is crap.

I actually enjoy it, more than slack.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by gumby »

tikiman163 wrote: post #544
Galanwe wrote: post #530

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> You have to understand that the technology underlying Skype at the time was very brittle and poorly designed. > When Microsoft acquired it Skype was routing its traffic over port 80 for example. __I have to understand__ ? Who is saying this? do you have any credentials / knowledge of Skype technology? My understanding is that you only report indirect discussion from "your friends who worked on it"? Having been ther…

Here is an article from Wired with quotes from the Google Product Manager that did the due diligence when they considered buying Skype: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2011/05/why-googl... Key points: He did not think Skypes p2p communication was a good fit for Google, going so far as to say it ate up bandwidth and was like an old technology. The PM's remarks could be summarized as saying the basic p2p com…

It could be true (and frankly I certainly can believe it!) but an article from someone who didn't buy a company could also be a post hoc justification for why they didn't get the deal.

Like VCs who try to invest in a company but lose the deal (or never get to see it at all): "Oh FooBbarApp? Yeah, we passed"

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by [deleted] »

nl wrote: post #448
mbesto wrote: post #252

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> NPM being such an important pillar in the software supply chain while having an unviable business model and largely being funded by VC money was never a good position to be in. Why does NPM need to be funded as a commercial entity at all? What other open source library has a private company running its package manager? This one still boggles my mind.

PyPy runs on donated infrastructure that costs over 800K/month in hosting costs[1]. Not many non-commercial entities can afford that. [1] https://twitter.com/dstufft/status/1236331765846990848

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Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by jefurii »

nl wrote: post #448
mbesto wrote: post #252

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> NPM being such an important pillar in the software supply chain while having an unviable business model and largely being funded by VC money was never a good position to be in. Why does NPM need to be funded as a commercial entity at all? What other open source library has a private company running its package manager? This one still boggles my mind.

PyPy runs on donated infrastructure that costs over 800K/month in hosting costs[1]. Not many non-commercial entities can afford that. [1] https://twitter.com/dstufft/status/1236331765846990848

Good reminder to use pip cache.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by atraac »

Summershard wrote: post #550
tikiman163 wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skype is crap, it was doomed to die around that time frame anyway. If anything, Microsoft Business kept Skype going longer than it would have otherwise. Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts, Slack or Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) and then tell me that Skype was ruined by integrating with Microsoft's other product base. The closest argument you might be able to make is th…

> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) Personal experience, but I have not found a single person who likes MS Teams. Usually people around me say that Slack is ok-ish, while MS Teams is crap.

Agree, Teams is an absolute shitshow of a communicator. Everything's wrong about it, from unintuitive UX, incredibly slow UI, up to terrible API design where even making a simple bot is laughably hard(try working with 'chats' instead of 'teams' or 'channels' and you'll see). Recent days also proved how bad infrastructure they have, they're not capable at handling bigger traffic at all. I've used Slack equally long before that and it was amazingly good in comparison(still not perfect though).

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by steelbrain »

nirui wrote: post #475
lewisl9029 wrote: post #436

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Given that Microsoft for all intents and purposes killed Atom (along with their really promising xray project [0]) almost immediately after the acquisition [1] even after explicitly claiming they wouldn't [2], please excuse me for not seeing the GitHub acquisition in the same positive light. [0] https://github.com/atom-archive/xray [1] They never officially announced it, but they almost certainly de-staffed it to the…

Maybe Microsoft helped killing Atom, but I don't think Atom is completely innocent by itself. I was an user of Atom and later switched to VSCode. It took me few months of weighting all the options before I made the switch. That's how much I love Microsoft -- Very little. Don't know if they got it fixed, but there was a design flaw in Atom: Bug inside some Atom plugin (`linter-ui-default` is one of it if my memory is…

Author of `linter` / `linter-ui-default` here. The package in no place in its code rewrites the entire Atom package configuration. It does however observe it's own configuration. If observing in itself resets the Atom config, then it's out of the hands of the package and a bug in Atom core.

It's possible that one of the linter providers had that issue, and since Linter providers are only called by the linter package, they wouldn't exhibit the issue on their own. It's not uncommon to have issues that seem like it's the linter's fault since all of the providers do nothing and seem harmless unless invoked by the linter package.

I would've helped to debug this, had somebody pinged me on any of the issues. Oh well :)

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by kuraudoOishii »

atraac wrote: post #555
Summershard wrote: post #550

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> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) Personal experience, but I have not found a single person who likes MS Teams. Usually people around me say that Slack is ok-ish, while MS Teams is crap.

Agree, Teams is an absolute shitshow of a communicator. Everything's wrong about it, from unintuitive UX, incredibly slow UI, up to terrible API design where even making a simple bot is laughably hard(try working with 'chats' instead of 'teams' or 'channels' and you'll see). Recent days also proved how bad infrastructure they have, they're not capable at handling bigger traffic at all. I've used Slack equally long be…

I'll tell you one thing it does better: audio/video conferencing. We went full WFH and the usual suspects couldn't support us, but we discovered that teams is a thing we pay for and operates like a champ, haha.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway78359 wrote: post #232

Microsoftie here — throwaway for obvious reasons. Microsoft doesn’t do everything right but the GitHub acquisition has honestly gone better than I ever expected. Rather than forcing GitHub to adopt Microsoft centric policies, Microsoft has adopted more GitHub stuff, especially from a product POV. GitHub still runs as a separate company (different logins and health care and hiring systems) with its own policies and po…

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Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by yarrel »

rafaelvasco wrote: post #330
Supermancho wrote: post #136

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You aren't the only one. Most users are too young to understand how predatory Microsoft has always been. Can't wait for the "npm won't publish my package because it circumvents something in Windows" or whatever. Give it time.

It may appear blaming Ms forever for their past actions is a good idea. It's not. Those actions and decisions came from certain people. They're long gone. I look only to the present. MS decisions and actions these past few years have been pretty solid imo. We must always assume the best of everything, not the worst. Not matter what. It may appear naive, but it's the only sane way.

They've created a funnel from a jobs site they control, through an operating system and hardware they control, with development tools they control, and source (etc.) on a web platform they control, onto a cloud they control.

Assume the best all you like. Microsoft are spying on you and can lock you out of their ecosystem for any reason. When that ecosystem includes critical public infrastructure, there is a problem.

The only "sane" response to this is to smile at the MS employees who tell you how much they love Open Source and to use absolutely any other platform.

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