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Just de-boarded and re-boarded an aircraft going to Europe from NY because of this „small“ missing „detail“ in the initial announcement. 4h delay and the people who de-boarded the plane initially, are not re-boarding because they probably left the airport by now, not knowing they had wrong information. Ouch.
The people who went home just won the lottery ticket.
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I suspect UK was left off because POTUS has resorts in Ireland and Scotland, and no where in Europe. There's nothing credible about UK being off the list while every surrounding country is on it.
Don't be a wanker. The US and U.K. rise or fall together. The two countries have an alliance unlike any other in the world. Neither turns it's back on the other. (And, by extension, Canada.)
You might want to google Tizard Exchange for what happens when the US has us over a barrel. Or look at the outcomes of pretty much any attempt to extradite an American citizen vs US attempts to extradite a UK citizen.
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Lived in Sweden for the last 15 years. Yeah, people out of cities have big back yards (people in cities have none), most workers eat out every day for lunch, shopping online (except for food) is pretty much the default. Denmark's pretty much the same. Poke around https://www.hemnet.se/topplistor
I've lived in both, and you're missing how large the difference is. Not to mention you seem to be missing the point. What the OP was saying is that americans don't eat out that much, is a very heavily home-oriented society - thats why the OP mentioned take out and delivery - not going out for lunch. And yes people out of cities in nearly all countries have big backyards, but you are missing the people have big back y…
What will happen or won't in US or Europe is not anymore dependent on these behaviors.
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On the other hand, Americans have much larger and more comfortable homes than Europeans. Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store. Very few people use public transportation regularly. Most people have private back yards. Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru. More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans. In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves a…
>Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store This is FUD. That isn't where you risk getting sick. The countries with the most effective response to COVIR-19 doesn't even try to stop everyday shopping or movement in cars at all. >In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves around public spaces, like the park, cafes, the city square, and public transport. You don't get si…
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I suspect UK was left off because POTUS has resorts in Ireland and Scotland, and no where in Europe. There's nothing credible about UK being off the list while every surrounding country is on it.
The UK is an Island nation with entry controls - passports are required even from the EU and there is at least token screening at the airports and docks of people with fever or other virus symptoms. Not that it’s the same thing, but being an island (so no walking traffic) and having some screening in place means that the UK simply doesn’t have certain diseases (like rabies) that are at least somewhat common in Europe…
I don't think I've ever had anything that even counts as token screening flying into the UK from Europe - passport check is automated and I've never even seen someone at customs for many years.
Trying hard not to be political. But POTUS speech seems to make things lot worse than better along anything. The efficacy of this travel ban is questionable (given all these exceptions such as one for UK. Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US?). But lets give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they did so in good faith. It is what's not in the sp…
It makes him look like a "strong leader" in front of his base and lends an appearance of "we don't stop from drastic measures even it hurts the economy" (which he was accused of before).
Any time a talking-head goes in front of a camera, the only question that should be asked is "how many tests did we do today, yesterday? ... where is the data for it?". Without the transparency for the numbers of tests all other measures are just a distraction. Anyone who speaks about stuff before these numbers are public knowledge needs to be kicked off the air and down the street (metaphorically).
Also reporters who engage them and do not insist on extracting the numbers before continuing the conversation are complicit.
Regardless of the ability of people to travel to the UK or Canada and get here (which people have done for a long time with other nations we don't take kindly to) it's absolutely going to reduce the number of people who will travel across the pond. Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. My concern is how economies are going to respond to the US being cut off from Continental ports for a month, which as far as I c…
>Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. Based on the localized infection cases I see across the US and have been watching as well as the characteristics of the virus (life outside host/on surfaces, in air, the degree of asymptomatic transference, etc.), it's well beyond containment IMHO. Travel isn't going to do too much to reduce infection rates alone. We need significant cultural changes to reduce infection rat…
Now I will not attempt to speak for Europe but the US government could certainly push short public advisories and messages to adults and children through broadcast TV and even get the cooperation of streaming services as well. Short thirty to ninety second spots that give helpful non panic information.
The US President is hamstrung by both political disagreement and the law. There were articles he is loathe to declare any national emergency declaration until approached by the governors of many of the states. If he did without states approaching him and asking you can damn well guarantee there were would be Democrats out there claiming he was trying to be a Dictator and comparing him to Putin. The same article concerning the declaration also reveals all the behind the scenes work going on with Congress to get funds in place before any message is put forth so that the government as a whole looks to be cooperating as well as acting appropriately.
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> Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US? I believe anyone who's been to the Schengen Area in the past x days faces the ban. Excluding the UK and Ireland surely had political reasons (the UK now also has >400 cases) but it's hard to define Europe if you don't use either Schengen or EU (both of which the UK isn't a part of).
>it's hard to define Europe if you don't use either Schengen or EU The mass of land resting North of the Mediterranean sea and West of the Ural mountains from which there is no land route to America.
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The people who went home just won the lottery ticket.
They did?