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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by DanBC »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #689
alasdair_ wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is an Island nation with entry controls - passports are required even from the EU and there is at least token screening at the airports and docks of people with fever or other virus symptoms. Not that it’s the same thing, but being an island (so no walking traffic) and having some screening in place means that the UK simply doesn’t have certain diseases (like rabies) that are at least somewhat common in Europe…

Note that technically the UK does not require passports for entry from the EU - identity cards are also fine. Having travelled back to the UK from a Schengen country in the past few days, I can also confirm that there wasn’t so much as a poster in the airport, let alone any actual screening.

Airport screening doesn't work.

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Post by IIAOPSW »

dx034 wrote: post #607
himalayan_yak wrote: post #604

Trying hard not to be political. But POTUS speech seems to make things lot worse than better along anything. The efficacy of this travel ban is questionable (given all these exceptions such as one for UK. Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US?). But lets give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they did so in good faith. It is what's not in the sp…

> Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US? I believe anyone who's been to the Schengen Area in the past x days faces the ban. Excluding the UK and Ireland surely had political reasons (the UK now also has >400 cases) but it's hard to define Europe if you don't use either Schengen or EU (both of which the UK isn't a part of).

>it's hard to define Europe if you don't use either Schengen or EU

The mass of land resting North of the Mediterranean sea and West of the Ural mountains from which there is no land route to America.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by forkexec »

cylinder wrote: post #544
jackson1way wrote: post #476

Just de-boarded and re-boarded an aircraft going to Europe from NY because of this „small“ missing „detail“ in the initial announcement. 4h delay and the people who de-boarded the plane initially, are not re-boarding because they probably left the airport by now, not knowing they had wrong information. Ouch.

It's so dumb, immediate family members not applicable -- so check-in agents are now going to be in the business of examining birth certificates?

The idiocracy has landed. Welcome to Stupidville, population (we can't count higher than 5).

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Post by forkexec »

xtof wrote: post #537
cavisne wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect there will be flights, from the UK (which is why it was left off).

I suspect UK was left off because POTUS has resorts in Ireland and Scotland, and no where in Europe. There's nothing credible about UK being off the list while every surrounding country is on it.

POTUS has to have someplace to golf, brag about his being impeached, and make the Queen visibly uncomfortable.

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Post by handedness »

curiousgal wrote: post #687
himalayan_yak wrote: post #604

Trying hard not to be political. But POTUS speech seems to make things lot worse than better along anything. The efficacy of this travel ban is questionable (given all these exceptions such as one for UK. Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US?). But lets give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they did so in good faith. It is what's not in the sp…

> What happens when businesses in Tourism and restaurants run out of their runway and have to layoff people? What happens to hourly workers who get sick? Well they should have accounted for this! They should work hard to get through this, not expect handouts! /s As sad as the outcome might be death-wise, I hope this pandemic ripping through the US makes us realize how broken our systems are and how instead of spendin…

Global free-as-in-beer trade for all costs a ton of money, and is good for global well-being.

Cutting waste is certainly something we need to do better, but let’s be honest about the product we’re getting (that nobody else is capable of producing much less giving away for free) for our military budget.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by cranekam »

cm2187 wrote: post #646
BryantD wrote: post #152

Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2. [1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting... . [2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208

Does it apply to H1B holders? (Are they “US residents”?)

I don't know for sure but my assumption is that H1B holders (and potentially green card holders, which are "permanent residents") are not excluded from this ban. As many others have mentioned here it's not easy to prevent a citizen from returning; permanent residents and visa holders can be refused entry much more easily.

I didn't write this rule though so I don't know if this interpretation is correct.

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Post by Izkata »

dcolkitt wrote: post #114
moosey wrote: post #58

I feel like there are some particular cultural attributes in the United States that make this useless at this point. The United States has a very individualistic attitude. Sure, we can pause travel from Europe, but the current administration is very anti-europe. Can we pause travel in the US? I strongly doubt that we can effectively given the strong anti-expertise attitudes as well. My guess is that the United States…

On the other hand, Americans have much larger and more comfortable homes than Europeans. Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store. Very few people use public transportation regularly. Most people have private back yards. Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru. More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans. In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves a…

> Very few people use public transportation regularly.

Stopping the CTA would virtually shut down Chicago.

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Post by cm2187 »

Symbiote wrote: post #641
dx034 wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US? I believe anyone who's been to the Schengen Area in the past x days faces the ban. Excluding the UK and Ireland surely had political reasons (the UK now also has >400 cases) but it's hard to define Europe if you don't use either Schengen or EU (both of which the UK isn't a part of).

I wonder about British/Irish people. Passports for EU citizens aren't stamped anywhere in the EU. I live in Denmark. Would the USA know if I flew to the UK, then the USA? (I don't intend to do this.)

I suspect it is trivial for the US to check who boarded flights across the world, and you left many other digital footprints (payments, cell phone activation, etc). IANAL but I believe that lying to immigration when entering the US is a pretty efficient way to get banned from entering for life.

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Post by Dahoon »

dcolkitt wrote: post #114
moosey wrote: post #58

I feel like there are some particular cultural attributes in the United States that make this useless at this point. The United States has a very individualistic attitude. Sure, we can pause travel from Europe, but the current administration is very anti-europe. Can we pause travel in the US? I strongly doubt that we can effectively given the strong anti-expertise attitudes as well. My guess is that the United States…

On the other hand, Americans have much larger and more comfortable homes than Europeans. Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store. Very few people use public transportation regularly. Most people have private back yards. Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru. More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans. In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves a…

>Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store

This is FUD. That isn't where you risk getting sick. The countries with the most effective response to COVIR-19 doesn't even try to stop everyday shopping or movement in cars at all.

>In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves around public spaces, like the park, cafes, the city square, and public transport.

You don't get sick by being in a park or city square with someone else. More FUD. Please do some reading on the appropriate measures and what actually constitutes a risk of infection.

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Post by sub7 »

thyselius wrote: post #648
klintcho wrote: post #626

One thing though; which airline will fly only american citizen back from europe? will they fill a plane with those customers only? I think my main concern is that most if not all major European airlines will cancel all flights, regardless if there are a couple of US citizen on the flights. Meaning it's probably still going to be somewhat problematic to get back (if not from London then of course)

I'm trying to find more information about this, as I'm a tourist visiting the US flying back on Sunday. Does anyone know how this will play out, will they keep flying FROM the US to Europe?

If they cancel flights, you'll have to route via the UK.

I suggest getting back to wherever it is you want to spend the next couple months asap.

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