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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by dx034 »

guerrilla wrote: post #41
unlinked_dll wrote: post #30

Regardless of the ability of people to travel to the UK or Canada and get here (which people have done for a long time with other nations we don't take kindly to) it's absolutely going to reduce the number of people who will travel across the pond. Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. My concern is how economies are going to respond to the US being cut off from Continental ports for a month, which as far as I c…

I don't know about the actual economy but finance seems to hate this. Most open market indicators dropped by like 3%...

Uncertainty is the worst for financial markets. And we currently have extreme levels of uncertainty. Economically, it seems likely that we'll see a global recession in the first half of the year. Simply because many companies can't produce as much with travel restrictions in place. If governments step in to help this could recover quite quickly for the second half or latest next year. But no one knows how hard it will hit companies and how quick recovery will be. And until we get first indications, markets will continue to panic.

On the other hand, for long-term investors it doesn't seem like a terrible time to get into the market.

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Post by jopsen »

anigbrowl wrote: post #49

They had no screening for incoming travelers at airports just a couple of days ago - no health questions or temperature checks, nothing. And now a 30 day ban? This won't solve the problem, but it will vastly exacerbate the economic disruption.

It won't solve the problem, but it might be big enough a move that people realize now is the time to minimize contact as much as possible.

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Post by hectormalot »

Scoundreller wrote: post #613
tdhoot wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about whether you've been to Europe at all in the 14 days preceding, not about whether your immediate origin was European.

And for Schengen, you'll have a stamp in and out (assuming 1 passport).

No Schengen stamps if you already live in the Schengen area. Unless there is data sharing the US gov wouldn’t be able to see it from a passport.

I suppose it will be another question on the form. Next to ‘I am not a terrorist’

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Post by DanBC »

anigbrowl wrote: post #612
kyleee wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some commenters on this post are having a hard time acknowledging this aspect. I think every little bit helps, this included

It won't. Screening all arrivals is helpful, but just shutting down travel is going to end up creating a whole new class of problems.

Medical officers (and Italy) tell us that screening arrivals doesn't help.

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Post by lenkite »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #603
remarkEon wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing we're going to get a lot of these sentiments over the next couple weeks (months?), about how these restrictions are interfering with the comforts of modern life. Let it stand as a reminder of how good we have it, and how fragile things actually are. It's a pandemic. There's going to be some bumps.

The ridiculous part of this whole travel ban 3.0 is that it is totally unnecessary. If the U.S. had proper testing infrastructure, we could test every single person arriving from abroad and make them wait the 4 hours required to get a read. S. Korea has that type of testing infrastructure. We invented the darn technology. There are no excuses for the deplorable, laughable, incompetent, disgraceful (I could go on) rol…

They don't have a serological test yet. The test uses RNA extraction. So, the testing all over the world is time consuming and testing kits are expensive. I don't think this is just a US problem.

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Post by dx034 »

ajross wrote: post #130
unlinked_dll wrote: post #30

Regardless of the ability of people to travel to the UK or Canada and get here (which people have done for a long time with other nations we don't take kindly to) it's absolutely going to reduce the number of people who will travel across the pond. Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. My concern is how economies are going to respond to the US being cut off from Continental ports for a month, which as far as I c…

> Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. There are tens of thousands of incubating cases in the United States already. How exactly is a few dozen sick passengers per day going to affect that at all? You'd have to literally be picking up and flying in planes full of active cases to even match what we have here already. This is insanity. No one with any expertise at all recommended it. No one serious thinks this is…

Any restriction in travel will help to slow the spread of the virus. If you look at Europe, a sizeable number of cases outside of Italy are still travel related. Stopping all travel is one of the key measures to keep infections local.

I'm not saying the measure suffices. Obviously domestic travel is also a big issue, as is travel from outside the Schengen area. But being one of the people affected (currently in Schengen), I still believe this is a right step. It might not slow infections down enough but it will certainly prevent many cases. Also, it will remind people how serious the situation is.

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Post by hcknwscommenter »

rsj_hn wrote: post #488
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Practically, yes, the states these days won't do anything until the federal government tells them to. It'll work out in a nationwide lockdown, but such obedience hurt us in february when the CDC had a monopoly on test kits and nowhere near enough capacity to supply the whole country. We seem to be making all the wrong decisions in this emergency.

Those are valid points. As to the test kits, I keep hearing conflicting info -- e.g. that there was a shortage of ingredients, too much FDA red tape, etc. There will plenty of root cause analysis in the future, but I think we have to reshore critical infrastructure and there is lots of red tape to cut in both CDC and FDA.

The red tape thing is nonsense. What was lacking was/is political will. CDC/FDA/States could increase testing 100-fold overnight if they really wanted to. A decision has been made to proceed differently. Hopefully this decision is reconsidered over the next few days or things are going to get much worse. Currently, as far as I can tell, we are doing about 1000 tests a day nationwide. I can order the necessary reagents and a few water baths and a cheap microtiter plate fluorometer for overnight delivery and do a 1000 of these tests a day by hand.
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