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Without sources and specific primary citations, I find it hard not to read this comment as spewing hatred and toxic lies.
Scroll up, there is links. Read his blog. Build your own opinion. Don't trust what I say.
Since we all know that some homosexuals are pedophiles, what is the point of saying "he thinks homosexuals are pedophiles" without a proportion modifier?
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It's just a power grab and has gone on forever in many forms. Redefine language and classify certain language as non-compliant under the guise of whatever it is that works to your advantage. Then use this to create systemic policy to dictate towards your goals and ultimately control whatever resource it is you were trying to colonize or acquire. Language is power and can greatly influence and define what masses of pe…
Why do you consider it a power grab sooner than, say, people acting in good faith who really believe in their stated values?
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I know exactly who you are talking about. I’ve had some heated exchanges with them on Twitter. What started out as me just trying to understand the viewpoint of someone who is different than me, quickly turned into them turning their followers into an angry mob that flooded me with personal attacks. This one incident turned me off of not only that person but the entire cancel culture movement.
> This one incident turned me off of not only that person but the entire cancel culture movement. Are you perchance saying that you "cancelled" the cancel culture movement based on a single interaction you didn't enjoy?
Every freaking pathetic wannabe klan leader tries that one and thinks they outwitted everyone when they do. Great club you just joined there.
From the previous discussion, plorkyeran[1] found the email that they suspect got ESR banned: http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.... I'm not familiar with the culture or standards of the OSI but I don't think I'd wanna participate in a community where this kind of engagement is normal, so good for them I suppose? Edit: replaced plorkyeran's account link with their post. I also now notice othe…
The part under discussion appears to be a quoted earlier message; HOWEVER I would much prefer a link to a message plausibly at least to be from the same server as ESR's other messages. I would like a link to the source, rather than someone saying a given source happened to send X. I could not in a quick 5 min of searching through Eric S. Raymond posts on that thread, see the actual source that is quoted.
#1 https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists...
#2 ""On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:09 PM Eric S. Raymond wrote:""
Before potentially defaming anyone I would very much like a reference to the actual words they said, and would hope everyone else similarly judges based on confirmed content.
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> Can you imagine Linux in a world where companies like Google don't contribute kernel patches? Not only can I imagine, but I lived in that world. > Because I think that would look like a world where all the best OSes were proprietary. Linux was excellent before ... Google even existed.
There's a good chance Google wouldn't exist without it.
We might be talking about the Google-Sun duopoly today instead of the Wintel duopoly today had Linux not existed.
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> This one incident turned me off of not only that person but the entire cancel culture movement. Are you perchance saying that you "cancelled" the cancel culture movement based on a single interaction you didn't enjoy?
Intolerance of intolerance is not a valid charge of intolerance. Every freaking pathetic wannabe klan leader tries that one and thinks they outwitted everyone when they do. Great club you just joined there.
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AIUI, the point of codes of conduct (when used in good faith) are basically like FAQs or What Wikipedia Is Not[1] in that they're social bludgeons to avoid having the same fucking discussion with stubborn idiots, where they do this[2] to cause tedious repetitive arguments of how the project should be run. A code of conduct, AIUI, has two main effects: 1. You have written, formalised proof you can link to that e.g. yo…
when used in good faith is the key part there, though. If everything everybody ever proposed was only used in good faith, we'd be living in Utopia. > You have written, formalised proof you can link to that e.g. you're expected to use XYZ pronouns - no tedious offtopic argument that drives people away. They are usually way too vague to do that. "Be kind" hangs on who decides what is and isn't kind. It's my impression…
Indeed. I'm quite certain, for example, that if someone called ESR a toxic lunatic, no code of conduct violation would be found.
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99% of people don't participate in open source, and much of the behavior we're talking about wouldn't be tolerated at any Western employer (except among the most senior untouchables).
I don't think that bolsters your argument. Having been around at its beginnings, FOSS itself wouldn't have been tolerated at any Western employer at that time. Consider that it was the rebels who didn't care about conforming or what was good for business/PR that made FOSS what it is today.
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Any idea who that may be?
Looks like this one: "Ehmke, Coraline Ada" She has done more than anybody else to cause destructive internal strife in Open Source software projects. Her being on the OSI board is simply appalling. OSI needs to be defunded and ignored if she can not be removed.
From the previous discussion, plorkyeran[1] found the email that they suspect got ESR banned: http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.... I'm not familiar with the culture or standards of the OSI but I don't think I'd wanna participate in a community where this kind of engagement is normal, so good for them I suppose? Edit: replaced plorkyeran's account link with their post. I also now notice othe…
I was wondering what the ESD was. It appears to be this: https://ethicalsource.dev/definition/ I worry that "open source" is already a slippery and ambiguous term. It makes RMS's work to clearly define free software (not open source) both hard and important .