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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by afiori »

zapita wrote: post #650
afiori wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then the counterpoint is that once panic steps in it becomes hard to manage. People should be called to take this seriously and to proper civic duties. Panic is was caused the toilet paper craze.

Oh no! The toilet paper craze. That is absolutely the biggest threat we are facing right now. Not the complacency on display everywhere.

I would say that the biggest threat is a dichotomy fallacy. Just because an extreme is wrong it does not mean that the other is right.

This should be taken seriously and people should put effort into prevention, but honestly I would prefer calling upon people's sense of civic duty rather than panic.

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Post by stbn »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #431
CaciaraAsAServi wrote: post #65

I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…

Who is "us" ? Hackernews are being read from around the world. I'm for example from South Africa.

Us Italians

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Post by lormayna »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #680
lormayna wrote: post #591

I am living in Italy (not in the zones where the virus starts spreading) and I want to say that our healthcare system is still working even if it's struggling. The big problem is that the number of places for critical care is going to saturate; they are starting moving sick persons from Lombardia to other regions in order to reduce pressure on the critical care hospitals departments. The number of death is so high be…

> The number of death is so high because they count person who had other illness (cancer, heart disease, etc) and because we have lot of elder persons (the probability of dying is higher for over 75). I don't know how the count is made, but since the pressure will affect the care for the other patients as well, it makes sense to at least take them in consideration in the stats.

Yes, it make sense. The strange value is the one from Germany with more than 1000 cases and only 2 died. I suspect that the criteria for counting the death is not the same across different EU countries.

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Post by codeulike »

hef19898 wrote: post #530
moultano wrote: post #271

This is an account from one of the doctors in Italy. https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/123714289107769753... Read the whole thing, but this passage in particular is just chilling. "5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are start…

Am I the only to catch the very first sentence? "From a well respected friend and intensivist/A&E consultant who is currently in northern Italy:" Basically, that make this twitter thread uncorborated news unless someone reached out to the Italian doctor referenced in it.

I know what you mean, that phrase 'from a friend' rings a few alarm bells.

However official statements widely reported in the media are essentally saying similar things:

Antonio Pesenti, head of the Lombardy regional crisis response unit, told the Corriere della Sera newspaper the health system in Lombardy was “a step away from collapse” as intensive care facilities came under growing strain from the new cases.

“We’re now being forced to set up intensive care treatment in corridors, in operating theaters, in recovery rooms. We’ve emptied entire hospital sections to make space for seriously sick people,” he said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy/...

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Post by bilekas »

ccmcarey wrote: post #198
bilekas wrote: post #175

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I can appreciate this, I am one good half Italian, I have old family locked up in Modena. I love Italy, I consider it home, but I will argue against the opinion. And that is what it is. An opinion. Listen, forget China, forget their words, their actions are fucking insane. In Modena, the same thing is happening, we are all in glass houses. Italy has been praised for their action. Even from the WHO, myself included wi…

You've responded twice to this comment in insulting and rude ways.

Are you done yet flower? So much for discussion.

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Post by esistgut »

hef19898 wrote: post #657
rorykoehler wrote: post #651

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That is an incredibly short sighted view. We need to be proactive not reactive. This virus is here and it's here in a big way. Positive cases are not the full picture. Median incubation period is 5 days. Italy is a warning and we're not taking it. We should all be in quarantine now so this doesn't get out of hand rather than wait for it to become uncontrollable and then trying to de-escalate it.

Ok, so you suggest every single person in Germany to be quarantined. Whether they have symptoms or not. Now that's what I call an over reaction.

This kind of thinking is exactly the mistake China and Italy did. Please, I beg you to learn from our errors.

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Post by dckr »

chaosite wrote: post #641
hef19898 wrote: post #638

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A couple of weeks ago it was "China was slow and it turned into a disaster". Now China was fast and Italy is turining into a disaster. Someties it seems that people want to be that a disaster, so they push that narrative. Same thing happens with the deniers, so.

China was slow, and it turned into a disaster, then they got their act together. Italy was slower than that.

I don't think we're actually slow. Yes, the risk was clear from the beginning, but the government had to take care of the economic situation too, which was (and is) rapidly collapsing. Some choices are maybe arguable, but when compared to other EU countries Italians were quite fast to converge to some decisions.

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Post by gpderetta »

afiori wrote: post #598
pfdietz wrote: post #538

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The point I was raising was that calls to not panic suppress non-panic activities. They are sending the message that there's nothing much to worry about. This is extraordinarily dangerous. If necessary precautions will also cause some to panic, so be it. At this point, things are so looking so grim that there's no way to tell people not to panic without unacceptable downplaying of the gravity of the situation.

But then the counterpoint is that once panic steps in it becomes hard to manage. People should be called to take this seriously and to proper civic duties. Panic is was caused the toilet paper craze.

> Panic is was caused the toilet paper craze.

If that's the extent of the damage caused by panic, then we are going to be fine.

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Post by undefinedblog »

briandear wrote: post #448
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #318

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>What makes China feel alien to us is that this is their default stance. Isn't having a massive military Americas default stance as well?

As a percentage of GDP, the American military isn’t massive. It’s smaller than China’s. It’s smaller than India’s and only slightly bigger than little North Korea.

I'm no expert but I think your words are rhetorical.
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