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>The economic damage is the damage caused by the reaction, not by the virus itself Exactly. I wonder what would have happened if this entire virus was treated similarly to the seasonal flu.
This experiment has already been run.
Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country
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#252I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…
> Another interesting thing I have just noticed is that some journalists are now openly praising the Chinese handling of the crisis. I think this is a very interesting effect. China has a fantastic ability to mobilize as one when needed. The vast majority of the time, the insane amount of control this requires, is something we're simply not comfortable with giving to governments. But sometimes, just sometimes, the re…
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connection Just be honest and say that it did happen from tourism. It's ok to say that moron. You so full of shit it's unreal. If what you said was true, America would be dead my by now. Hahah I'll pull myself. That is more truth than your words.
Comments like yours have no place on HN. I don't know how, but someone should ping dang / other admin to address this.
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#254The government is calling to unity, and the situation is tragic enough that no-one can ignore the call. However the left wing (and the current ruling coalition) has some serious responsibilities here, and I hope they are held accountable once this mess is over. A few weeks ago we were told that 'the only virus there is, is racism', implying that people worried about the virus spreading were doing so because of an ant…
* Health services in Italy are entirely controlled at the regional level * The two worst-hit regions (Lombardia and Veneto) are ruled by right-wing coalitions * Not even the administrations of those regions, who should be politically on the same page, can agree on what to do / what should have been done * Prato in Toscana, the "unofficial Chinese capital of Italy", has seen no cases whatsoever. But sure, let's use a…
But the rest of the information you provided is very interesting! That the "Chinese capital" of Italy has no cases is very interesting, in particular.
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#255The fatality rate of Italy is scary high. I read the reason is that they have such a high percentage of elderly.
Yes, it's Simpson's paradox. Fatality rate is lower in Italy than in China for all individual age ranges, but the overall rate is higher in Italy because of the older population.
Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country
#256I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…
Italy also has a surprisingly large number of Chinese migrant workers, mainly in the fashion and leather goods sector. Skilled Chinese workers in Milan and Prato provide the kudos of the "Made in Italy" label at considerably lower cost.
https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/05/17/long-ter...
Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country
#257I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…
> I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connection Just be honest and say that it did happen from tourism. It's ok to say that moron. You so full of shit it's unreal. If what you said was true, America would be dead my by now. Hahah I'll pull myself. That is more truth than your words.
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> mostly pasta Sensible choice all things considered. I think instant noodles are also a pretty good bet, I personally make a noodle soup with vegetables to bring up the nutrition a bit. I would also add frozen vegetables to the list as it keeps for ages and balances out most meals, whilst still being quite good for you.
Rice and a good rice cooker. Plenty of big 4.54kg packs of California-grown Nishiki rice on the shelf in Sainsbury's last time I checked. I like pasta too, but don't eat as much as I used to. Rice is so versatile!
I like rice, but am concerned by the number of people who don't wash it (arsenic) [1]. Then you have the issue of reheating/leaving to cool [2].
With the amount of idiocy going around it seems like a massive risk. Pasta is very difficult to mess up, worst case you're just going to get some crunchy or over-boiled pasta.
[1] https://www.recapo.com/the-doctors/the-doctors-diet/the-doct...
[2] https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-diet/can...
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#259So this is awaiting all countries, in all likelihood? I mean what's the difference between Italy and Switzerland? Or Germany? Or the United States?
The united states is going to fare a lot worse. Their president is actively contradicting his own experts and essentially encouraging people to go on spreading the disease. It's going to be a clusterfuck.
It should be almost irrelevant to the discussion, but by now he has enough appointees in various departments for the problem to grow roots.
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A useful metric is the number of tests which are coming back positive. I’d say if it’s 3% or higher then you are testing limited.
It's 10%. Not unexpected since only people with symptoms are being tested.
That tells me that case count will grow at a rate of test rate * 10% for days to come even if the actual spread has peaked.
IMO, and I’m not sure why more people aren’t saying this, the hospitalization rate in the general population under typical exposure rates is probably closer to 1% than it is 10%, and so just multiply the severe or critical cases by 100x to see the general population infection rate.
And if severe case count is not growing, than neither was the infection rate ~7 days ago.