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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by fulvioterzapi »

deerIRL wrote: post #23
fulvioterzapi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Could you provide a link to where "the left" has said the only virus is racism? I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great. I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news.

> I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great.

> I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news.

So you don't speak enough Italian to verify, but still you got a hunch. And since we're at it, let's accuse whoever says things I don't like of spreading fake news.

What a constructive attitude!

Besides not speaking Italian well enough, you are not even well informed about Italian politics, because everyone even just skimming through headlines would know that a few weeks ago the President of the Italian Republic visited a primary school with mainly Chinese pupils as a symbolic gesture against discrimination and racism.

There was also a long article about racism and Coronavirus on Internazionale, but you could easily find tens of sources.

Get your facts straights (or just ask) before accusing people of spreading fake news.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by bonzini »

fulvioterzapi wrote: post #30
bonzini wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since genome analysis has shown that the Italian strain came from Germany, they were right in denouncing racism against Chinese people living in Italy. Just like it's now incorrect to treat Italy like the European Wuhan. I am not sure how you can say the government's response is worse than other countries, where other governments are doing absolutely nothing even after they reached a thousand cases. (BTW the right sp…

> they were right in denouncing racism against Chinese people living in Italy. In my opinion there was no actual racism, just common sense measures. That work against any strain. > I am not sure how you can say the government's response is worse than other countries I am thinking of our prime minister, for instance. Two weeks ago he was on TV 16 times in a single day, to denounce the emergency. Then we went into the…

Common sense measures include washing your hands, not avoiding Chinese restaurants. But yes, it wasn't perfect. At least there was no generalized denial.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by tunesmith »

lollerk wrote: post #31
paganel wrote: post #21

Unreal, a month ago (February 7th) I was posting this news story [1] related to the city of Shenzen which was about to be put into some form of lockdown, it only received one upvote. A month from that event and we have an entire European country (a G7 member to add) under lockdown. I guess the normalcy bias [2] was too strong for too many people until reality hit us hard in the face. [1] https://www.epochtimes.com/gb…

>The opposite of normalcy bias is overreaction, or worst-case scenario bias, in which small deviations from normality are dealt with as signals of an impending catastrophe. The question is to which one we are closer? That's what I think no one knows. Like how reddit says "2 million will die in the US" and some people say "it's just a flu" the truth maybe between the two half way there or so

It doesn't matter - what matters is the point when hospitals get overwhelmed. Past that points, fatality rate goes up just from lack of treatment. Societies have already proven they can put in sufficient containment practices to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed, so it's a matter if other countries follow similarly effective practices or let themselves get overwhelmed.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by paganel »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #29
paganel wrote: post #21

Unreal, a month ago (February 7th) I was posting this news story [1] related to the city of Shenzen which was about to be put into some form of lockdown, it only received one upvote. A month from that event and we have an entire European country (a G7 member to add) under lockdown. I guess the normalcy bias [2] was too strong for too many people until reality hit us hard in the face. [1] https://www.epochtimes.com/gb…

I feel like it's less a matter of normalcy bias, and more that people reasonably distrust a Falun Gong newspaper written in a language they can't read.

For a while this Falun gong member [1] was one of the few persons who was publishing real news and videos of what was happening in Wuhan and in China as a whole.

[1] https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by Rapzid »

J_cst wrote: post #15
alfyboy wrote: post #2

For anybody living in quarantined areas of Italy. How much has your daily life been affected?

I have been reviewing the situation with a colleague of mine, and we have now realized that the new measures are not enough. It makes no sense to allow burger king or any bar to stay open util 6 p.m. And it makes no sense to allow to go to work for any undeferrable (or also deferrable) reason. The only effective measure seems logically to be quarantine, and for me and my family (2+2), from tomorrow afternoon quaranti…

I believe it's largely political posturing at this point in every country.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by paganel »

danielovichdk wrote: post #40
paganel wrote: post #21

Unreal, a month ago (February 7th) I was posting this news story [1] related to the city of Shenzen which was about to be put into some form of lockdown, it only received one upvote. A month from that event and we have an entire European country (a G7 member to add) under lockdown. I guess the normalcy bias [2] was too strong for too many people until reality hit us hard in the face. [1] https://www.epochtimes.com/gb…

One upvote? Are we supposed to feel sorry for your karma craving personality?

I've been on this site for more than 10 years, I do not care about karma, I was using the karma number as proof that that news/story was being neglected/ignored.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by airstrike »

paganel wrote: post #21

Unreal, a month ago (February 7th) I was posting this news story [1] related to the city of Shenzen which was about to be put into some form of lockdown, it only received one upvote. A month from that event and we have an entire European country (a G7 member to add) under lockdown. I guess the normalcy bias [2] was too strong for too many people until reality hit us hard in the face. [1] https://www.epochtimes.com/gb…

I had a trip booked to Italy starting on March 20 so have been following the news very closely since at least mid February... I Ask HN'd how people were tracking the virus, and the answers I got were "I'm not tracking it in any way, shape or form and I hope it reciprocates the courtesy."

Quite funny, but the stats don't lie[0]. The number of new cases in Italy has grown at an exponential rate. This is a developed economy. Similar rates are being seen in France, the UK and Switzerland. The same will happen in the US. We're all going to get this, and most of us will be fine, but if you take the midpoint of experts' forecast of 40-80% of people being infected and multiply that for a conservative 1% death rate (the WHO has mentioned 3.4% and 2% is also often thrown around), that yields

7.8 billion * 0.6 * 0.01 = 46.8 million dead

At an 80% infection rate and an 3.4% mortality rate (worst case scenario), you get 212.2 million dead.

That's a once-in-a-century, catastrophic black swan event.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_I... – see the chart below the table for the unbelievable exponential rate

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by zjaffee »

dpcan wrote: post #10
vkou wrote: post #6

For anyone claiming that this is just a flu: I've never heard of an entire country being shut down because of the flu.

I've never heard of 14 people dying in a 120-bed nursing home of the seasonal flu in a 3 week time span either, but the Coronavirus is making that happen in Kirkland, WA right now. Actually, about 30 people have died, but since they don't have enough tests, they can't say that it was Coronavirus. My wife is an administrator at a Nursing facility that is much larger, and this many people DYING so quickly is terrifying…

I was able to look at the press release from this nursing home this morning, and the numbers are far worse than this.

The number is much higher than that, as there are an additional 12 deaths that haven't been tested for coronavirus yet. 26 have died in the last three weeks as compared to 7 in a typical month.

Another 26 are in the hospital, with the rest being quarantined at the home. Over 1/3rd of the staff there is showing symptoms ~70/180 people.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by DrNuke »

Tocilizumab drug in Naples hospital seems promising: «The health of the patient suffering from covid 19, who arrived in critical condition, intubated and treated with the new drug therapy is recovering. Maybe we extubate him because his conditions have improved a lot ». They also say they got confirmation from Chinese colleagues who tested that earlier on 21 cases. The drug is now undergoing trial at Roche.

https://www.corriere.it/video-articoli/2020/03/09/dopo-cina-...

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