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Re: Spot the Drowning Child (2015)

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Post by invisiblerobot »

notRobot wrote: post #328
fho wrote: post #277

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> "cheating" and infidelity are largely human concepts It is normal behavior, yes. But it comes at the expense of the cheated on party. The term here is "parental investment" and is roughly how much energy a party has to invest in the offspring. If the male tit builds the nest and provides food for offspring that is genetically not his it puts it at a disadvantage and it is definitely exploited by the female.

Again, "exploited"? Using that word in the context seems very... Off. It's not like the female tit is choosing to "exploit" the male. They're literally programmed to do that. Think about it. In many species there is unequal parental employment. That's just how nature works. Is it really "exploitation" in the human sense of taking advantage of someone else?

>> Is it really "exploitation" in the human sense of taking advantage of someone else?

Yes. Obviously. And whether or not the exploitation is "programmed" is irrelevant. After all everything is programmed.

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Post by kubanczyk »

mcv wrote: post #236
vict00ms wrote: post #154

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Those are called "water wings" in the US and the person you were replying to feels quite the opposite about their safety; the ones I've seen available for purchase in the states are easy to dislodge accidentally.

All of the ones I've encountered in Europe are practically impossible to dislodge once they've been inflated.

All of the ones I've encountered in Europe have a butterfly-ish creature on one side and warnings in a dozen languages on the other side - not a safe flotation device.

Re: Spot the Drowning Child (2015)

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Post by m463 »

I was talking to a friend, and mentioned it's probably a good idea not to have a swimming pool, because it's one of the top ways kids die accidentally.

However she said kids don't usually die in their pool, they die in their grandparents pool.

food for thought.

Re: Spot the Drowning Child (2015)

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Post by TheKarateKid »

m463 wrote: post #334

I was talking to a friend, and mentioned it's probably a good idea not to have a swimming pool, because it's one of the top ways kids die accidentally. However she said kids don't usually die in their pool, they die in their grandparents pool. food for thought.

As someone who grew up with a pool, it made sure that everyone in my immediate family was well trained on how to swim. It's usually guests that visit who have the biggest risk of drowning in your pool.

Re: Spot the Drowning Child (2015)

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Post by AbortedLaunch »

mcv wrote: post #236
vict00ms wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are called "water wings" in the US and the person you were replying to feels quite the opposite about their safety; the ones I've seen available for purchase in the states are easy to dislodge accidentally.

All of the ones I've encountered in Europe are practically impossible to dislodge once they've been inflated.

I’ve seen a three year old jump into a pool with these (European) and they came right off, with the child plummeting to the bottom.

Re: Spot the Drowning Child (2015)

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Post by MS90 »

minimonk wrote: post #36

One of the important lessons I learnt from a lifeguard is that movies depict a very inaccurate representation of drowning. The movies would have you believe that drowning is a violent and noisy event when in reality it is an inconspicuous and silent event. The victim cannot shout or call for help when they are struggling to keep their nose above the water level. Another important lesson I learnt that sometimes when s…

There was a video my fireman friend showed me a while back of two men drowning near a drainage pipe. There was a chunk of floating hardwood or something that they wanted for some reason, but neither could swim (I know, brilliant). The only violent and noisy parts of the incident was then frantically trying to swim back to the banks for about a minute. After that, they seem to lose all energy, go still, and sink shockingly fast, like rocks.

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Post by notRobot »

invisiblerobot wrote: post #331
notRobot wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, "exploited"? Using that word in the context seems very... Off. It's not like the female tit is choosing to "exploit" the male. They're literally programmed to do that. Think about it. In many species there is unequal parental employment. That's just how nature works. Is it really "exploitation" in the human sense of taking advantage of someone else?

>> Is it really "exploitation" in the human sense of taking advantage of someone else? Yes. Obviously. And whether or not the exploitation is "programmed" is irrelevant. After all everything is programmed.

But. If we're observing as humans and it appears to us that the one creature is taking advantage of another, surely that's just our interpretation from a very limited understanding of their world?

I have no idea where I'm going with this, but that phrasing still seems off to me.

Re: Spot the Drowning Child (2015)

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Post by MS90 »

holbue wrote: post #264
kieckerjan wrote: post #254

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My mom used to tell how I almost drowned one time in a swimming pool when I was about five. I got stuck under a floating mattress of some kind. It definitely made a bigger impression on her than it did on me. I can (vaguely) remember the incident, and I don't remember freaking out or being scared of water (or mattresses) afterwards.

Might this be similar to the stress/shock introduced partial memory loss, as it often happens with heavy accidents, where the accident itself isn't remembered by the patient?

It could possibly be from oxygen deprivation, especially if they passed out, but without knowing the specifics of the case (did they inhale water/did they go unconscious) it's hard to say for sure.

Re: Spot the Drowning Child (2015)

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Post by MS90 »

bmgxyz wrote: post #68
mjlee wrote: post #15

Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning [1] has gone round the internet a number of times over the last decade. Well worth reading if you spend time around water, and a good read in any case. [1] https://mariovittone.com/2010/05/154/

Thanks for this. I hadn't read it before, and it's quite interesting. In particular: > One way to be sure? Ask them, “Are you alright?” If they can answer at all – they probably are. When I was a kid, I spent a few summers learning to sail. Part of our training included responding to falling overboard or capsizing our small boats with crews of two. Our instructors insisted that whenever this happened we first call ou…

I remember watching the Discovery channel series BUD/S 234 about SEAL training, it stuck out to me that during their swimming test where they're required to swim an entire lap of the pool underwater that the first thing they're required to do when they come up is yell "I FEEL FINE" as loud as they can.

Anyone who didn't do so was instantly hauled out of the pool and sent to the medic. Which was good, because some of the men were unconscious when they got there, though they still passed the test! The requirements were to swim down, touch the far wall, swim back, touch the near wall, all while remaining underwater. State of consciousness was never specified :)

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