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The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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Re: The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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Oddly enough, I was on the "pandemic" bandwagon early enough that my period of anxiety and insomnia has now passed already. People get used to new states of affair pretty quickly.

I hardly ever have to deal with anxiety, but now I have a headcold and my coworker sitting 6-feet to my right has a mask on...

If you have a cold or anything else infectious, please work from home if at all possible.

Re: The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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From the paper: > If the neuroinvasion of SARS-CoV-2 does take a part in the development of respiratory failure in COVID-19 patients, the precaution with masks will absolutely be the most effective measure to protect against the possible entry of the virus into the CNS. It may also be expected that the symptoms of the patients infected via facal-oral or conjunctival route will be lighter than those infected intranasa…

This! It really boggles the mind that officials would discourage wearing masks (even surgical masks). You see, the best way to stop COVID-19 is to thwart its infectious potential. And this is done by two things: everybody wears masks (since nobody knows they are contagious until it's too late) and everybody washes hands constantly. But nooo, no need to panic, this is not Asia, this is The West... Freedom!... x_x

The issue is a mask shortage.

Re: The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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From the paper: > If the neuroinvasion of SARS-CoV-2 does take a part in the development of respiratory failure in COVID-19 patients, the precaution with masks will absolutely be the most effective measure to protect against the possible entry of the virus into the CNS. It may also be expected that the symptoms of the patients infected via facal-oral or conjunctival route will be lighter than those infected intranasa…

This is super scary. Before I read this I was happily thinking hey it's no worse than flu. Now... I'm wishing I didn't live in a huge city riding the subway daily.

When I lived in Chicago I used to practice riding the L without touching anything with my hands. In the Bay I kept up the habit.

This is never not a good idea, so no time like the present to get into it.

Re: The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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It is getting annoying that people keeps comparing different numbers to make their points. If you are using 0.2% mortality rate in a healthy population, you have to compare it with the flu mortality's rate in a healthy population, which is still a magnitude lower. It's disgraceful, to be honest, to compare mortality rates on different population at all. And I'm just gonna quote your link directly to make my point, I'…

I'm pretty sure the figures I read were 1% mortality with Covid19, 1:400,000 for flu (in UK). It was that order of magnitude. So perhaps like saying chlorine is harmless because people drink it. It's a "well yes, but no ..." situation.

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-...

Its CFR is 3.4% according to WHO (actual number may be be higher than this because it is an early statistic and does not take into account patients that are still struggling and may eventually die).

Re: The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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From the paper: > If the neuroinvasion of SARS-CoV-2 does take a part in the development of respiratory failure in COVID-19 patients, the precaution with masks will absolutely be the most effective measure to protect against the possible entry of the virus into the CNS. It may also be expected that the symptoms of the patients infected via facal-oral or conjunctival route will be lighter than those infected intranasa…

This! It really boggles the mind that officials would discourage wearing masks (even surgical masks). You see, the best way to stop COVID-19 is to thwart its infectious potential. And this is done by two things: everybody wears masks (since nobody knows they are contagious until it's too late) and everybody washes hands constantly. But nooo, no need to panic, this is not Asia, this is The West... Freedom!... x_x

I think that the fear was of a mask shortage. Infected quarantined > Potentially Infected COVID-19 contacts wearing masks > Uninfected wearing masks.

Re: The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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Yeah probably reduced, but it may be more to do with them becoming contaminated. The link points to a study saying > One study found that nurses averaged 25 touches per shift to their face, eyes, or N95 respirator during extended use. How problematic that touching is probably scales with how problematic your environment is. They're pretty sponge-like. Wearing a surgical mask over an N95 would help a lot. In a control…

> Yeah probably reduced, but it may be more to do with them becoming contaminated. How effective is the virus after the mask has been unused for a while (so "cold", like a doorknob or a desk)? If it is not, the mask should be good to go then, doesn't it?

I gather that it's too early in understanding COVID to have robust answers to this sort of question.

I use a reusable mask, and honestly, I don't wash it very often. It's there mostly so if I absentmindedly touch my nose I don't actually touch my nose, and so I never remove it until I've thoroughly washed my hands.

Re: The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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From the paper: > If the neuroinvasion of SARS-CoV-2 does take a part in the development of respiratory failure in COVID-19 patients, the precaution with masks will absolutely be the most effective measure to protect against the possible entry of the virus into the CNS. It may also be expected that the symptoms of the patients infected via facal-oral or conjunctival route will be lighter than those infected intranasa…

Yes, only a N95 or better mask would protect you from incoming, as opposed to outgoing, viruses, and these masks are both impractical for everyday wear and need to be conserved for public health users.

Given the size of the viruses, N100 is the minimum

Re: The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2

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I'm not sure I would call them impractical for everyday wear. I wear N95 masks when commuting during active wildfires. The news always says not to wear them because you won't put them on properly, but it's really not that hard to ensure the fitment is correct. It's not like the construction workers that wear them occupationally are rocket scientists. My partner is more vulnerable to respiratory problems and has alway…

Telling people they should wear masks because they don't put them on properly is like telling people they shouldn't drive cars because some people drive them into trees.

> some people drive them into trees

I wouldn't say it's a certain type of people ("some people" vs. "sometimes people"). You could argue for it, though seems like a hard argument to push.

Cars are inherently dangerous, because there isn't a reasonable guarantee that something will not go critically wrong (as opposed to, say, a train). Also, when driving a car, you're not only betting that you won't make a mistake, but also that someone else won't make a mistake (that would affect you).

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