Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

axios.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

791–800 of 840 posts

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#791

Post by hurrdurr2 »

retsibsi wrote: post #787
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/...

Interesting article, but what point are you making by posting it without comment? It doesn't confirm airborne transmission, unless that is implied by background knowledge I'm missing (?). And it certainly doesn't tell me anything about the logic of the passage I quoted, so I remain sceptical about that other article's quality.

How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? The viral load is highest in the nose, suggesting that they can infect others by simply breathing in their vicinity. This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#792

Post by PinkMilkshake »

csomar wrote: post #422
distantaidenn wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Living in Tokyo and just returned from Seoul yesterday. It's striking how differently the countries are handling this issue. Korea is pretty much on lockdown -- the government and the population are being quite proactive. Masks everywhere, thermal guns at junctions with high human traffic. Water fountains shut down, etc. Even the airport staff at the eateries were undergoing temperature checks before interacting with…

That's an interesting observation since when I were in Tokyo at peace time, many people did wear masks. It's also important to remember that basic sanitary and hygiene are also important which I'd like to believe that the Japanese are better than probably the rest of the world. The difference is that maybe South Korea is in "panic mode" and Japan is yet to get there. They are less than half of Japan population and ha…

> basic sanitary and hygiene are also important which I'd like to believe that the Japanese are better than probably the rest of the world

When I traveled through Japan their hygiene culture came across as theatre more than anything. It's more of a social performance than a practical reality. I think 'very tidy' better describes Japan (if you ignore the beaches).

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#793

Post by retsibsi »

hurrdurr2 wrote: post #791
retsibsi wrote: post #787

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting article, but what point are you making by posting it without comment? It doesn't confirm airborne transmission, unless that is implied by background knowledge I'm missing (?). And it certainly doesn't tell me anything about the logic of the passage I quoted, so I remain sceptical about that other article's quality.

How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? The viral load is highest in the nose, suggesting that they can infect others by simply breathing in their vicinity. This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing.

> This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing.

I know, and I thought that was what we were discussing: how strong is the evidence for airborne transmission.

> How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus?

I gave a bunch of possibilities in my previous reply.

> The viral load is highest in the nose

Higher in the nose than the throat, according to the Medpagetoday article, but that doesn't imply it is absent from the throat -- rather the opposite, otherwise they would have phrased it differently. And people do pick and blow their noses, and sneeze occasionally even when healthy, so it's not like breathing is the only possible route out of the nose. Not to mention the connectedness of nose and throat, which makes it hard for me to imagine a virus being present in the nose but reliably absent from saliva.

I'm not arguing that airborne transmission is unlikely -- I don't know, and am trying to form an opinion. Which is why I'm questioning the argument that it is definitely happening, and responsible for all asymptomatic contagion: it seems overstated to me, but if I'm missing key background facts, I'd like to learn them.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#794

Post by hurrdurr2 »

retsibsi wrote: post #793
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #791

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? The viral load is highest in the nose, suggesting that they can infect others by simply breathing in their vicinity. This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing.

> This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing. I know, and I thought that was what we were discussing: how strong is the evidence for airborne transmission. > How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? I gave a bunch of possibilities in my previous reply. > The viral load is highest in the nose Higher in the nose than the throat, according to the Medpage…

https://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/newly-diagnosed-c...

Treatment protocols at UCD Medical Center mentions airborne precautions after the patient tested positive.

Airborne transmission was also seen in China.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#795

Post by hurrdurr2 »

retsibsi wrote: post #793
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #791

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? The viral load is highest in the nose, suggesting that they can infect others by simply breathing in their vicinity. This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing.

> This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing. I know, and I thought that was what we were discussing: how strong is the evidence for airborne transmission. > How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? I gave a bunch of possibilities in my previous reply. > The viral load is highest in the nose Higher in the nose than the throat, according to the Medpage…

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/china-officially-annou...

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#796

Post by vxNsr »

electriclove wrote: post #688
vxNsr wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chinese pigs (aka LE) This sort of editorializing immediately makes your whole opinion moot. If this is how you talk about people you don’t know it’s unlikely your opinion is valid or even remotely unbiased in any other regard.

Watch some of the videos on Twitter and it is easy to understand why those words were used.

You can make this claim about any group, minority or not. Every single group of people has bad apples and some groups are even 51%+ bad but trying to use anecdotal evidence from twitter as proof is really not great.

Additionally using epithets and dehumanization of any group no matter what they've done is a road to more hate and violence and will never resolve anything. I find it pretty ironic that some on the left are ok with insults and dehumanization as long as it's of the right group of people that they've deemed "undesirable" even if that group of people really should stop what they're doing, using insults and animal comparisons is a road that takes you right back to what they claim to be fighting.

This got kinda long winded and preachy...

tl;dr calling cops "pigs" is a slur like any other and will only cause more problems.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#797

Post by rurban »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #112
rurban wrote: post #108

Very likely not. Olympics are in the summer, the virus doesn't even survive the spring. By May it will be gone.

[Citation needed]

From the expert https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/puzmZFQGRTiiquwLa6tT-g/confere...

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#798

Post by xbmcuser »

retsibsi wrote: post #793
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #791

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? The viral load is highest in the nose, suggesting that they can infect others by simply breathing in their vicinity. This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing.

> This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing. I know, and I thought that was what we were discussing: how strong is the evidence for airborne transmission. > How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? I gave a bunch of possibilities in my previous reply. > The viral load is highest in the nose Higher in the nose than the throat, according to the Medpage…

With the spread specially being high in enclosed spaces like the churches in Korea, Singapore and the cruise ship in Japan. I do think either it is airborne or the virus can live outside the human body longer compared to other flu viruses. Most of the high spread patterns outside china where we have information is in enclosed spaces like churches or the cruise ship.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#799

Post by pbhjpbhj »

jki275 wrote: post #751
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA is objectively corrupt from the top, have recently removed themselves from non nuclear proliferation and climate treaties .. as a country the message seems clear that USA don't care two shits about the rest of the World. The idea Trump would open his response to an epidemic up to international inspection is just laughable - and I say his, rather than USA government's because that's how things appear to work t…

Please don't use "objectively" as a replacement for "in my opinion". The two are not the same.

You don't believe that Trump's manipulation of Ukraine, say, is a proven fact? He damn near admitted it himself.

Or do you think a president subverting the will of the legislature of their country for personal gain isn't corruption?

I wasn't expressing my opinion.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

#800

Post by t0mislav »

electriclove wrote: post #701
t0mislav wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happened yesterday in my company. :( Big tech company, 2000+ people, central Europe. First registered patient with COVID-19 in my country is from company I'm working for. We all received notice to work from home. It will be huge test now for remote work. I bet lot of people doesn't even know how to connect from home. (people from administration etc)

Which company? I hope we can US companies be proactive about this and not wait for someone to be infected.

Sorry , didn't saw this before. Ericsson Croatia, it is no secret.
Post reply on HN