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Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by ekianjo »

pamicel wrote: post #98
antpls wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short walk or bike ride." "Paris" is defined as Paris intra-muros + the Boulogne and Vincenne parks, which are limited in space and was saturated long time ago. You are a "Paris resident" if you live inside of the City of Paris (the green line of the plot). The chart…

Many, many, more people than the 2 million intra-muros residents spend their daily life in intra-muros, i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic. "Real Parisian" is an insulting term to use.

> i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic

That's nonsense though. You could argue that the influence of Parisian politics go way beyond the city and by your logic the whole of France should be voting for stuff that concerns Paris. That's just not how representation works.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by hk__2 »

antpls wrote: post #68
roel_v wrote: post #3

At the same time, there is a 30m2 (323 sqft) Parisian apartment for sale for e1.2mm (USD 1.3mm). Not sure these things are quite compatible...

I'm not sure why you are downvoted. House pricing clearly shows that the City of Paris is a gravity center, which leads to many of the current traffic and pollution problems. Maybe a decentralization of France's institutions, powers, businesses etc could help it?

> I'm not sure why you are downvoted.

Probably because parent is cherry-picking and has no source. The average flat in Paris is at €10k/m2, so 30m2 would be around €300k, not €1.2M.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by reyqn »

mikro2nd wrote: post #17
xyzzyz wrote: post #14

They should first figure out how to make average worker spend less than one 55 minutes commuting by public transit each way. https://www.thelocal.fr/20160418/parisians-spend-23-days-a-y...

That's pretty much exactly what they're trying to do.

And that's not feasible. You can't just reduce the average commuting time to work by 40 minutes magically

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by fredoliveira »

throwaway744678 wrote: post #45
keiferski wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes yes, I have been to all of those and lived right next to Buttes-Chaumont. But the city in general always felt like it lacked green space. Especially if you make a large circle around Opéra - for 2-3km you really don’t have anything that isn’t small or full of people. That said - Buttes-Chaumont and Le Jardin du Palais Royale are some of my favorite urban parks in the world.

Les Tuileries are less than 1km from the Opera. Parc Monceau is 2km away.

I was there 4 days ago. It is far from green. Sure, it's an open space without buildings and has a few trees. It is not, however, a green space.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by carlob »

antpls wrote: post #62
carlob wrote: post #34

> In Paris, this isn’t necessarily such a tall order. The mayor oversees only the 2.2 million residents of the city’s heavily populated historic core, which already enjoys some of the use-mixing that the 15-minute-city concept encourages, thanks to its pre-industrial roots. This is the main problem of Paris and of Hidalgo. For most practical purposes Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city, yet only 2 get to vote for…

From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short walk or bike ride." "Paris" is defined as Paris intra-muros + the Boulogne and Vincenne parks, which are limited in space and was saturated long time ago. You are a "Paris resident" if you live inside of the City of Paris (the green line of the plot). The chart…

> Obviously, the region is expanding like any other capital's region in the world, so that plot exactly shows nothing.

Yet up until 1860 the growth was being tracked by an expanding political entity. Walk across the périphérique to Montrouge, to Vincennes and tell me whether you see a clear boundary. Go talk to someone who lives in Anthony and see how many have to commute to or through center to go to work. It's all a giant economical and social unit!

Remember when they tried to expand Vélib past the city boundaries: 2 years of delay, tribunals having to chime in...all that just because the official city boundaries don't match how people live.

There is also another big problem, also because of this a lot of people are just being priced out of Paris proper, there is a sharp decline in price (even in nice surrounding counties) as soon as you cross the city limits.

I'm all for reducing cars, but you can't possibly deny there is a ton of people who would just love to cycle or take the Métro to work, but can't afford to live in a place where that is a possibility, yet their job and most of their working hours are spent in a city where they can't elect the mayor!

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by lizknope »

hk__2 wrote: post #97
pi-err wrote: post #69

I live in Paris and whatever you think of the current mayor, this is pure marketing babble for the elections next month. Paris has always had this very dense city core where 99% of daily life is 5-10’ away. It’s a great concept for dense metropoles, but it only works because the city is so small: 100 square kilometers in an ocean of much lesser density. 80% of “Greater Parisians” live outside Paris itself. Unfortunat…

The city mayor first cares about the people of that city; there’s nothing illogical here.

While there is nothing illogical about it there is more to a city than just the people who live in it. Millions of people live in a suburb and commute to work in a larger city. Their employer pays taxes in that city. The employees eat lunch in that city. The city may be a tourist destination (Paris certainly is)

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

antpls wrote: post #62
carlob wrote: post #34

> In Paris, this isn’t necessarily such a tall order. The mayor oversees only the 2.2 million residents of the city’s heavily populated historic core, which already enjoys some of the use-mixing that the 15-minute-city concept encourages, thanks to its pre-industrial roots. This is the main problem of Paris and of Hidalgo. For most practical purposes Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city, yet only 2 get to vote for…

From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short walk or bike ride." "Paris" is defined as Paris intra-muros + the Boulogne and Vincenne parks, which are limited in space and was saturated long time ago. You are a "Paris resident" if you live inside of the City of Paris (the green line of the plot). The chart…

I have no horse in this argument either way, but it's interesting how this train of thought regarding sovereignty of city vs county contrasts with the current debate between the voting politics of the direct city of San Francisco and it's greater metropolitan area, especially in regard to zoning policies.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by pamicel »

ekianjo wrote: post #101
pamicel wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many, many, more people than the 2 million intra-muros residents spend their daily life in intra-muros, i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic. "Real Parisian" is an insulting term to use.

> i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic That's nonsense though. You could argue that the influence of Parisian politics go way beyond the city and by your logic the whole of France should be voting for stuff that concerns Paris. That's just not how representation works.

No I lived in Rennes for a while I couldn’t give the slightest damn about Parisian politics.

I am saying that for many around Paris, Paris is like their very own city center, and they cannot move anywhere or do anything without going intra-muros, every single day. And essentially, out of two equally concerned people, the one who’s richest can afford intra-muros and is the only one who has a voice.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by currymj »

jasonkester wrote: post #32

In contrast, I’ve always considered Los Angeles to be a “45 Minute City”, but by car. Everything you need is a 45 minute drive from wherever you are now. The beach is 45 minutes away. It’s 45 minutes to work. Your friends are each about 45 minutes away, in different directions, and the downtown bar you meet at on Friday night is 45 minutes away. You can even get out into the mountains on angel crest highway in about…

it feels like many places have a property like this. i think it must be some combination of the way things get built around roads + transit development, and induced demand.
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