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Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by luckylion »

seszett wrote: post #57
luckylion wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Need to make sure that restocking is done during the day or the customers won't notice that you have to move large containers through the store! I understand that most stores would see little traffic at night, but on the other hand they'd also not need full staff, and they absolutely could do all the maintenance work at night. It annoys me similarly as "everybody must have the same two days off". So inefficient.

Having the same days off for most people makes for a more cohesive society where people have more time to interact with each other. Or at least, that's the idea. Knowing families where people have different working hours or working days, it really takes a toll on interpersonal relations.

I get that argument, but I do believe that it applies more so to a past idea of society where everybody is close to average, i.e. mostly families with children. It makes sense to time days off for adults with those of children. The same goes for school holidays being timed with harvest season because plenty of children had to help on the family farm etc.

That's not our current reality, the percentage of singles and childless couples is growing and they don't need to be timed with school hours.

Adding flexibility would make everything run more smoothly. Right now we're having all the commercial traffic on 5/7 days and all the leisure time traffic on 2/7 days. Offices are empty 2/7 days.

Distributing that more evenly would benefit everyone. Less traffic during rush hour, less overrun parks on your day off, less crowded super markets and packages wouldn't need to be considered lost if they're diverted to the local branch where queues are usually longer than those in front of apple stores when new iphones get released.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by te_chris »

tlear wrote: post #9

I am curious if the pickpockets still run rampant all over the tourist areas and subway. Few years back in 3 days: 1. Dad ran into undercover cop who on subway who told him to watch his stuff better :o 2. Got his phone stolen next day on subway, I guess cop was right 3. I witnessed the typical distract, grab and run.. good thing someone threw trip and got the runner to drop his prize 4. Had to deal with 3-4 typical:…

I’ve been to Paris a lot and wear my wallet in my back pocket and have been fine. Just need to be aware when going through crowded areas. They know how to pick off the naive ones who aren’t used to real cities.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by ansible »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #85

That's essentially the concept of many cities in Europe. I live in Berlin for example and I have almost everything I need within 10 minutes of walking or 5 minutes of cycling: Supermarkets, pharmacies, doctors, restaurants, electronics stores, schools, kindergardens, ... The downside is that you tend to become used to your small microcosm ("Kiez" we call it) and rarely leave it. I can't recall for example when I went…

> The metro is also super efficient, you can get everywhere "intra muros" in 30-40 minutes.

Yes. Both times I was there visiting, we didn't bother with even the buses. The Metro was usually a short walk, and a short wait.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by peignoir »

pi-err wrote: post #69

I live in Paris and whatever you think of the current mayor, this is pure marketing babble for the elections next month. Paris has always had this very dense city core where 99% of daily life is 5-10’ away. It’s a great concept for dense metropoles, but it only works because the city is so small: 100 square kilometers in an ocean of much lesser density. 80% of “Greater Parisians” live outside Paris itself. Unfortunat…

+1 The elections are coming soon and the current mayor is just doubling down on promesses (while Paris is great on paper the past couple of years did feel like chaos from my point of view)

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by megablast »

keiferski wrote: post #2

Paris needs to go one step further and remodel itself so that residents can have all their needs met—be they for work, shopping, health, or culture—within 15 minutes of their own doorstep. As someone that has spent a lot of time living in Paris, this is already pretty much true, at least within the Périphérique. The main issue in my experience is the lack of green space; there are surprisingly few parks in Paris.

And the parks they do have are not green. Mainly ruble.

It does have two fantastic huge parks on the outskirts though, Bois de Boulogne and Bois de Vincennes.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by mytailorisrich »

hbbio wrote: post #76
_Microft wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Paris not issue parking permits to craftsmen? German cities offer special parking permits to businesses that need to have unwieldy or heavy gear with them at their customer's place. The yearly fee is in the low hundreds (maybe 250€ even in the larger cities) and usually includes free parking and that even in places where most people normally would not be allowed to park at all, e.g. on Anwohnerparkplätzen (resid…

> Does Paris not issue parking permits to craftsmen? No

Yes, Paris has similar permits. Not free, though.

But the issue is not that but lack of parking space. A permit only allows them to park in actual parking spaces. Most of the time there aren't any available...

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by hk__2 »

pi-err wrote: post #69

I live in Paris and whatever you think of the current mayor, this is pure marketing babble for the elections next month. Paris has always had this very dense city core where 99% of daily life is 5-10’ away. It’s a great concept for dense metropoles, but it only works because the city is so small: 100 square kilometers in an ocean of much lesser density. 80% of “Greater Parisians” live outside Paris itself. Unfortunat…

The city mayor first cares about the people of that city; there’s nothing illogical here.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by pamicel »

antpls wrote: post #62
carlob wrote: post #34

> In Paris, this isn’t necessarily such a tall order. The mayor oversees only the 2.2 million residents of the city’s heavily populated historic core, which already enjoys some of the use-mixing that the 15-minute-city concept encourages, thanks to its pre-industrial roots. This is the main problem of Paris and of Hidalgo. For most practical purposes Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city, yet only 2 get to vote for…

From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short walk or bike ride." "Paris" is defined as Paris intra-muros + the Boulogne and Vincenne parks, which are limited in space and was saturated long time ago. You are a "Paris resident" if you live inside of the City of Paris (the green line of the plot). The chart…

Many, many, more people than the 2 million intra-muros residents spend their daily life in intra-muros, i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic. "Real Parisian" is an insulting term to use.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by hk__2 »

d--b wrote: post #51

It’s all an election stunt to try and justify that her war on cars won’t affect Parisians. Ie. If you have everything you need in a 15min walk, you shouldn’t suffer that the traffic is reduced. But the things you occasionally need are getting harder to get. Plumbers, electricians don’t want to come to the city anymore. They will facture in the awful traffic and the fines they get for the lack of parking space. Basica…

> It’s all an election stunt to try and justify that her war on cars won’t affect Parisians. Ie. If you have everything you need in a 15min walk, you shouldn’t suffer that the traffic is reduced.

That’s quite the opposite. Car traffic generates pollution and takes unnecessary space on the street: some sidewalks are so narrow you can’t have two people walking next to each other. Reduced traffic is a benefit, not something the large majority of Parisians will suffer of.

> Plumbers, electricians don’t want to come to the city anymore.

A plumber or an electrician doesn’t necessarily need a car to move their stuff. There are already a bunch of cargo-bike plumbers in Paris.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by __Joker »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #85

That's essentially the concept of many cities in Europe. I live in Berlin for example and I have almost everything I need within 10 minutes of walking or 5 minutes of cycling: Supermarkets, pharmacies, doctors, restaurants, electronics stores, schools, kindergardens, ... The downside is that you tend to become used to your small microcosm ("Kiez" we call it) and rarely leave it. I can't recall for example when I went…

I think most of the world lives pretty close except the US. But problem in rest of the world is not that you can't have schools, clinics, entertainment, shopping in a 15 minutes radius but the problem is finding the desired combination when you throw in you and your spouse workplace and the school to which you want to send to your children to.
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