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Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Do Parisian convenience stores close at night? Chinese urban convenience stores don't; even here in the American suburbs CVS is open 24 hours, and so is Safeway.

Paris doesn’t have stores comparable to cvs from what I’ve seen. Monoprix is a grocery store but scaled down.

> stores comparable to cvs

I named them because they're open 24 hours and they seem like the closest fit to a convenience store. CVS is a "drug store", selling products in three basic categories: (1) grooming supplies (hairbrushes / fingernail clippers / makeup... this kind of thing); (2) a very stripped-down grocery inventory, including only prepackaged food (cereal / milk / poptarts / cookies / candy, but no fruit or meat); (3) health products ("nutritional supplements" / vitamins / aspirin / tums / cough drops / etc.).

A Family Mart in Shanghai is much smaller and offers different staples: food (including fruit, but largely prepackaged stuff), electronics cables, the machine that lets you pay your mobile phone bill (it's possible I'm out of date here). It's mostly food. Very much unlike CVS, they also offer a space in the store where you can sit and eat what you just bought, and if you bought instant noodles they'll give you boiling water for them.

There are American stores closer to that model, like 7-11, but I don't know that they stay open 24 hours. 7-11 is historically named after its operating hours. But I don't really see why that's important; if the mostly-prepackaged-food store is closed, but the prepackaged-food-and-also-cosmetics-and-pills store is open, you can meet your prepackaged food needs there.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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In contrast, I’ve always considered Los Angeles to be a “45 Minute City”, but by car. Everything you need is a 45 minute drive from wherever you are now.

The beach is 45 minutes away. It’s 45 minutes to work. Your friends are each about 45 minutes away, in different directions, and the downtown bar you meet at on Friday night is 45 minutes away. You can even get out into the mountains on angel crest highway in about 45 minutes.

But unless you want a CVS pharmacy or a Starbucks, nothing is close by. Ever.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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>"even here in America" Not to derail the conversation, byt why the 'even'? 24h-stores seem like an inherently american concept to me (I'm german, so France is right around the corner)

When it comes to opening times of stores, us Germans are way behind everybody else...

Need to make sure that restocking is done during the day or the customers won't notice that you have to move large containers through the store!

I understand that most stores would see little traffic at night, but on the other hand they'd also not need full staff, and they absolutely could do all the maintenance work at night. It annoys me similarly as "everybody must have the same two days off". So inefficient.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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> In Paris, this isn’t necessarily such a tall order. The mayor oversees only the 2.2 million residents of the city’s heavily populated historic core, which already enjoys some of the use-mixing that the 15-minute-city concept encourages, thanks to its pre-industrial roots.

This is the main problem of Paris and of Hidalgo. For most practical purposes Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city, yet only 2 get to vote for the 'real' mayor, those who live outside the historic center are fragmented into a bunch of smaller counties and are also generally poorer than 'real' Parisians.

When Hidalgo banned cars on the quays, Parisians were very happy, while commuters from other counties had to add some time to their commute and were furious.

Look at this [0] plot, see how the green line stopped tracking the blue one? That's your problem...

[0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Croissan...

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Because Paris is really small and the large parks are just outside Paris : Bois de Vincennes & Bois de Boulogne are each at least twice the size of Central Park I hope you didn't miss Parc de Buttes Chaumont, Parc Montsouris & my favourite : Cimetière du Père Lachaise (yes, a cemetery ... I recommend going at spring and enjoy how green it is)

Yes yes, I have been to all of those and lived right next to Buttes-Chaumont. But the city in general always felt like it lacked green space. Especially if you make a large circle around Opéra - for 2-3km you really don’t have anything that isn’t small or full of people. That said - Buttes-Chaumont and Le Jardin du Palais Royale are some of my favorite urban parks in the world.

You're right, you'll have to take the metro to get to one. And with the increase of the price / square meter, I'm not sure we'll get larger green space in the future at least in Paris itself

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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I am curious if the pickpockets still run rampant all over the tourist areas and subway. Few years back in 3 days: 1. Dad ran into undercover cop who on subway who told him to watch his stuff better :o 2. Got his phone stolen next day on subway, I guess cop was right 3. I witnessed the typical distract, grab and run.. good thing someone threw trip and got the runner to drop his prize 4. Had to deal with 3-4 typical:…

Americans must be deluxe targets, never had any of this happen to me in the times I had been to Paris (am from Austria).

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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I am curious if the pickpockets still run rampant all over the tourist areas and subway. Few years back in 3 days: 1. Dad ran into undercover cop who on subway who told him to watch his stuff better :o 2. Got his phone stolen next day on subway, I guess cop was right 3. I witnessed the typical distract, grab and run.. good thing someone threw trip and got the runner to drop his prize 4. Had to deal with 3-4 typical:…

Yup, family member's passport was stolen last year. Every time I visit Paris some attempt of some kind occurs. Fake "survey", someone "bumps into me by accident" (nice try, scumbag), guy very avidly eyeing my wife's purse, etc. etc.. It's super frustrating.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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post #36
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I am curious if the pickpockets still run rampant all over the tourist areas and subway. Few years back in 3 days: 1. Dad ran into undercover cop who on subway who told him to watch his stuff better :o 2. Got his phone stolen next day on subway, I guess cop was right 3. I witnessed the typical distract, grab and run.. good thing someone threw trip and got the runner to drop his prize 4. Had to deal with 3-4 typical:…

Americans must be deluxe targets, never had any of this happen to me in the times I had been to Paris (am from Austria).

Yeah if you speak English with an American or Canadian accent you are a prime target for sure. The ppl giving fake surveys were picking us out from SO far away (I was purposely watching for it after our first trip there).

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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I am interested in what the tipping point of density is - it is something I think Strong Towns idea has right but there are several factors (actual physical density of homes is key, but planning laws / zones matters, as does disposable income and actual physical built stock).

I would also ask if new cities (China, India) what their planning / zoning priorities are?

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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In contrast, I’ve always considered Los Angeles to be a “45 Minute City”, but by car. Everything you need is a 45 minute drive from wherever you are now. The beach is 45 minutes away. It’s 45 minutes to work. Your friends are each about 45 minutes away, in different directions, and the downtown bar you meet at on Friday night is 45 minutes away. You can even get out into the mountains on angel crest highway in about…

And then there’s NYC - The $20 City. Any time you step outside of your apartment, you’ll inevitably spend $20 on something.
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