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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by tgflynn »

zuckluni wrote: post #87

to everyone theorizing. why? first, whether you say it's aliens or "the government", face it, both those concepts are black boxes to invoke to explain the unexplainable, ergo they're equivalent explanations, or different valence, same kind second, why be so quick to grasp and reduce it to a theory? why not just be a little bit comfortable with the discomfort of an unresolved tension? why just not be a little bit comf…

Well if humans had always followed the approach you suggest they would never have mastered fire or discovered agriculture. Would you rather be living as a hunter-gatherer or some non-human primate ?

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by Supermancho »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #105
zuckluni wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This all just seems a little anachronistic... a little arrogant... Are there really people in this day and age that believe there's nothing that exists that can't be explained with a textbook? Is the world do devoid of magic, or is wonder in such bountiful supply that something amazing and wonderful must be snuffed out, crushed under the weight of such dullness, such grasping conspiracy theories? A government psyop,…

Name one thing that a) we're sure exists, and b) it's so extraordinary that it "can't be explained with a textbook". The entire progress of humanity came through converting "magic" to "mundane". It's usually called "gaining understanding".

> Name one thing that a) we're sure exists, and b) it's so extraordinary that it "can't be explained with a textbook

What does "explain" mean? There are lots of things that are known but unexplained as well as effects that are known but we havent proved an explanation (eg. the shower-curtain effect to wikipedia unknowns in physics).

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by whatisthiseven »

jacobush wrote: post #110
dvh wrote: post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

I could swear I'd read this verbatim before. I had: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21858749

I had the exact same "Deja vu" moment until I realized the same as you.

Feels rude for OP to just verbatim copy/paste their comment without acknowledging they are doing that. It cheapens their words and makes it feel like copy-paste garbage you see all over the web. It also makes me think OP never learned anything significant from previous replies to their first comment, and is just spamming to get others to agree with them.

edit: Furthermore, OP never engaged with the comments on their previous post, and isn't engaging with comments here that disagree.

So, is OP part of a misinformation campaign of their own design? No idea. Wish they would bother responding rather than copy-pasting the same stuff each time uncritically.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by blotter_paper »

lend000 wrote: post #5

There are several important new pieces of information here and significantly more detail than we had before. In particular, we learn that "Brigadier General Richard Stapp, Director of the DoD Special Access Program Central Office, testified the mysterious objects being encountered by the military were not related to secret U.S. technology." There is also evidence put forward that Elizondo was put on the program becau…

If this is a false flag to get the world united against an extraterrestrial threat, then nothing short of widely circulated biological specimens would reasonably rule out secret US aircrafts. The experts said that the second Gulf of Tonkin incident was real, too. They're the government, my dear; they lie.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by blotter_paper »

sk0g wrote: post #40
gerdesj wrote: post #31

I (skim) read quite a lot of the article. I had a laugh (obvs). I then skim read the comments here. Oh fuck, I am really feeling out of place. I thought HN is where we talk bollocks about important stuff, or important things about bollocks or occasionally we debate important things about important things. I'm pretty sure I did not sign up to talk bollocks about bollocks (unless orchids are involved.) This is bollocks…

Yeah most of this thread reads like what I imagine a conspiracy theory forum would read like. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but nothing 'alien-y' can't be explained by one of: inexplicable/ as-of-yet unrecognised phenomena - geographic/ atmospheric, military research programs, and good old fashioned fakery.

You're clearly unfamiliar with conspiracy forums; nobody has even brought up the Nephilim yet!

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by lend000 »

blotter_paper wrote: post #124
lend000 wrote: post #5

There are several important new pieces of information here and significantly more detail than we had before. In particular, we learn that "Brigadier General Richard Stapp, Director of the DoD Special Access Program Central Office, testified the mysterious objects being encountered by the military were not related to secret U.S. technology." There is also evidence put forward that Elizondo was put on the program becau…

If this is a false flag to get the world united against an extraterrestrial threat, then nothing short of widely circulated biological specimens would reasonably rule out secret US aircrafts. The experts said that the second Gulf of Tonkin incident was real, too. They're the government, my dear; they lie.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. They do indeed lie, and most of their lies have involved calling serious unexplained incidents weather balloons or shooting stars. The most interesting documents are not the public statements prepared, but the private testimony between military groups behind closed doors.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by [deleted] »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #105
zuckluni wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This all just seems a little anachronistic... a little arrogant... Are there really people in this day and age that believe there's nothing that exists that can't be explained with a textbook? Is the world do devoid of magic, or is wonder in such bountiful supply that something amazing and wonderful must be snuffed out, crushed under the weight of such dullness, such grasping conspiracy theories? A government psyop,…

Name one thing that a) we're sure exists, and b) it's so extraordinary that it "can't be explained with a textbook". The entire progress of humanity came through converting "magic" to "mundane". It's usually called "gaining understanding".

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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by Animats »

earthtourist wrote: post #119
Animats wrote: post #68

Why don't we have more cell phone videos of this stuff? Preferably from multiple cell phones from different angles. As for "lights in the sky", see [1]. It's getting way too easy to do this. [1] https://youtu.be/KhDEEN4gcpI

I looked at quite a few of the UFO videos on YouTube and none of them seemed legit to me except maybe this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-91Nobn2xk The uploader looks like the kind of weirdo that would grab their phone to capture a UFO video but probably doesn't have the skill to create such a high quality fake. It also matches the "tic tac" shape described by the most credible witnesses ever, the US Navy pil…

Empty supply canister or a wing tank being dropped? There's a USAF base nearby.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by firethief »

zuckluni wrote: post #80
firethief wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Frankly, a much less reaching theory at this point is that we simply don't know what these things are, have completely failed to determine it, and can't safely conjecture anymore they are human created or purely natural phenomena. This is a perfectly suitable place to be given our place in the universe and our current level of understanding, and doesn't require any further leaps to explaining their origin beyond "w…

What a time to be alive. I never thought I'd see it, but it's happened. The tipping point has been reached where conspiracy theories denying this stuff have become crazier than the reports of it. I think a new and very rich vein of crazy is about to make itself available to the masses for their entertainment, that is the mental gymnastics some people will tie themselves into to deny the existence of something which t…

I specifically haven't taken a position on what the sightings actually are. I'm speculating on why the government has changed their approach to information about UFO reports. I think they want to avoid the Streisand effect that happens around UFO coverups, and maybe also encourage reporting (because if some UFOs are actually foreign tech (aliens included I guess), they'd want to know)--they can easily do both by getting it on the news as a normal weird thing we hear about and shrug.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by blotter_paper »

lend000 wrote: post #126
blotter_paper wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is a false flag to get the world united against an extraterrestrial threat, then nothing short of widely circulated biological specimens would reasonably rule out secret US aircrafts. The experts said that the second Gulf of Tonkin incident was real, too. They're the government, my dear; they lie.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. They do indeed lie, and most of their lies have involved calling serious unexplained incidents weather balloons or shooting stars. The most interesting documents are not the public statements prepared, but the private testimony between military groups behind closed doors.

I believe that most members of the US military believed the second Gulf of Tonkin incident was real at the time -- one hand can believe lies the other hand tells.

I'm also not arrogant enough to believe anything with 100% certainty. I think we're probably looking at the US government (and potentially the Soviets) not admitting to saucer shaped crafts (whether or not in preparation for a false flag), but I'll grant you that there is some hard-to-pin-down chance of genuinely weird shit going on. Even if we're going down that road, I'm betting an aquatic origin is more likely than an extraterrestrial one.

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