Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

wsj.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

281–290 of 335 posts

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#281

Post by np_tedious »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #245
stupidcar wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feeling into "fact" flow: Step 1) "I don't like thing" Step 2) "I really wish thing didn't exist." Step 3) "Thing is probably dying/dead." Step 4) "If event happened, it would really show thing is dying/dead." Step 5) "Event can happen." Step 6) "Event will happen." Step 7) "Event is happening!" Step 8) "Events 1, 2 and 3 can/will/are happening which forms a narrative proving thing is dying/dead." Have you consid…

> Have you considered a career as a journalist? I really have no skin in this game one way or another. I don't work with cloud companies, I don't make money with non-cloud things either. And I don't give a toot about how this unfolds because I think all things that Tech brings forward these days are bad for humans and society. So whether it's the cloud or ActivityPub or motherfuckers who believe the blockchain will c…

> I think all things that Tech brings forward these days are bad for humans and society

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#282

Post by mrahbar »

randomguy-gcp wrote: post #230

Many theories and opinions . Here is an observation from someone involved with GCP more than many of you (especially more than the WSJ journalists) - These job cuts are not an indication of the health (or lack of it) of GCP division. From the familiarity I got as a partner, it's probably the consolidation of the sales function. Inside Sales Reps (ISRs) being moved to Field Sales Reps (FSRs) and some of the ISRs being…

I totally agree. Since Thomas Kurian is the new CEO there is a wind of change noticeable if you are familiar with GCP. Every other comment comparing GCP with an arbitrary service or product of Google does not grasp that with GCP Goggle will get more enterprise oriented like Microsoft and SAP.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#283

Post by gtufano »

geogra4 wrote: post #277
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Do you think SAP will come up with a cloud provider to compete with aws and the like? I don't know if there is another European software company big enough for that.

Telco operators could, that also already have network capabilities too. At least in Italy they actively try to. They are definitely inefficient, so I’ve not seen any actual result, but in some other country they could succeed.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#284

Post by benhurmarcel »

geogra4 wrote: post #277
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Do you think SAP will come up with a cloud provider to compete with aws and the like? I don't know if there is another European software company big enough for that.

In my opinion, the issue for European "cloud" service isn't so much the infrastructure. There are already fairly large hosting companies like OVH, Hetzner…

But on the software side it's lacking. And suggesting SAP might bridge the gap for software quality would get a laugh from anyone who regularly uses their product.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#285

Post by benhurmarcel »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #241
ritchiea wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in your example it wouldn’t mean the cloud is dead, the big US cloud companies would suffer as smaller country and region specific cloud providers thrive.

yeah what I meant wasn't that any of the providers we see today will disappear, but the model under which they are forced to operate will look completely different. I'm not suggesting that Amazon/Google will be kicked out of Europe that would be silly. But they would be forced to a) pay their taxes, and b) implement guarantees that a packet will never leave a certain jurisdiction. This is so different to how cloud wo…

> implement guarantees that a packet will never leave a certain jurisdiction

It's already the case, no? My company recently contracted G Suite with a guarantee that the data stays in Europe.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#286

Post by exikyut »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #241
ritchiea wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in your example it wouldn’t mean the cloud is dead, the big US cloud companies would suffer as smaller country and region specific cloud providers thrive.

yeah what I meant wasn't that any of the providers we see today will disappear, but the model under which they are forced to operate will look completely different. I'm not suggesting that Amazon/Google will be kicked out of Europe that would be silly. But they would be forced to a) pay their taxes, and b) implement guarantees that a packet will never leave a certain jurisdiction. This is so different to how cloud wo…

Hm, or maybe someone smart will figure out a way to mangle software-defined networking into a solution.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#287

Post by exikyut »

lr4444lr wrote: post #279
noelwelsh wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This response is just rude and adds nothing to the discussion.

It is rude, but the OP says "the cloud is dead" What!? That deserves to be called out.

Maybe they mean it'll just go back not being a thing, like it was in 2009.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#288

Post by scarface74 »

kccqzy wrote: post #234
busterarm wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/deprecations

So what? I can give you a point-by-point rebuttal of everything on that page. > The standalone legacy SDK and appcfg tooling Just use the newer `gcloud` command-line tool. > Go 1.9 (GA) and Node.js 8 (GA) Upgrade your language man. This is PaaS. You're expected to keep your app up to date. > Admin API v1beta4/v1beta5 These are beta versions of the API. Why don't use migrate to the GA versions? Etc, etc. In fact the l…

While AWS has deprecated runtimes, if you have an old running version of Node for instance on lambda, it will run forever. It will force you to upgrade to a newer version the next time you update the lambda.

As far as I know, AWS has never discontinued a service or turned off an API. They may deprecate a feature or make it unavailable for new accounts or regions.

Heck AWS still supports running an EC2 instance outside of a VPC if your account is old enough,SimpleDB , and using S3 as a BitTorrent seed for old regions.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#289

Post by scarface74 »

nomel wrote: post #98
scarface74 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven’t heard about Netflix’s policy.... https://www.slideshare.net/reed2001/culture-1798664 “We’re a team, not a family.” They “hire, develop, and cut smartly”. It doesn’t seem to have hurt their recruitment.

I'm all for this mentality. It's extremely rare, but there's nothing that makes my job satisfaction drop more than having someone incompetent (in no way related to experience) on the team, or being lead by someone incompetent. I come to work to get cool stuff done, and sometimes people just don't fit with that goal . These thoughts are in no way related to the topic.

It’s not only about incompetence, it’s about letting someone go who did their job very well, but are no longer needed and keeping them around anyway.

The story is legendary about all of the infrastructure guys that were let go at Netflix whose job was to migrate them to AWS.

Is that a bad thing? Can you imagine the opportunities you could have if you said that you were instrumental in the largest cloud migration in history?

I can’t remember her name but there was a top ranking official at Netflix hired by Hastings personally. She was instrumental in helping Netflix in the DVD era. But she knew she was going to be laid off when they started focusing on streaming because that wasn’t her area of expertise. She went in and got “quit fired”. She said there were no hard feelings.

I first heard about this with an interview she did on the Internet History Podcast.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

#290

Post by coldtea »

corentin88 wrote: post #252
mattlondon wrote: post #222

I don't have any knowledge of this, but it sounds to me a lot like a typical everyday re-org or "defragmentation" that happen frequently. Defragmentation example: they have a team with 12 people in California, 5 in New York, 2 in Seattle and 3 in Zurich. They decide to move all roles into one location instead of having the team split all over. If you don't want to move with the role, then you need to find something n…

I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

>My team have chosen Google Cloud

Why though? AWS, Azure etc all look much more competent and friendlier to customers, and without Google's history of killing services they don't care for anymore...

Post reply on HN