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Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

ritchiea wrote: post #239
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Even in your example it wouldn’t mean the cloud is dead, the big US cloud companies would suffer as smaller country and region specific cloud providers thrive.

yeah what I meant wasn't that any of the providers we see today will disappear, but the model under which they are forced to operate will look completely different. I'm not suggesting that Amazon/Google will be kicked out of Europe that would be silly. But they would be forced to a) pay their taxes, and b) implement guarantees that a packet will never leave a certain jurisdiction. This is so different to how cloud works today that you might as well call the cloud dead.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by birdyrooster »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #43
danans wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've personally been through this twice at Google. The company definitely provides a very attentive set of resources to help you find a new position within the company, but I've always been able to find a new project on my own. That said, the more flexibility you have the easier it is to find a new position. This naturally favors some people over others. In my most recent case, it ended up being a bit more challengin…

So... Like... What do you do in the interim? Not work, look for teams, and still get paid a shit ton of money? Do you do some training on the side? Work on a side project? How long does it take to find the new team?

I took a vacation to Tokyo on a whim when I heard about my defrag. Checked out Google Tokyo (just have to find a Googler near the tower in Rappongi willing to take you up where your badge can matter) and enjoyed another month or so of relaxation back here before starting a new job at a different company. In my case, they were paying a multiplier of my salary due to the circumstances of my "defrag". In all I was paid an entire years salary in one quarter while I enjoyed a sabbatical.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by louhike »

ritchiea wrote: post #239
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Even in your example it wouldn’t mean the cloud is dead, the big US cloud companies would suffer as smaller country and region specific cloud providers thrive.

It's already happening. Because of GPDR, companies in EU tends to avoid american companies. European solutions tends to be preferred.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by stupidcar »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

The feeling into "fact" flow:

Step 1) "I don't like thing"

Step 2) "I really wish thing didn't exist."

Step 3) "Thing is probably dying/dead."

Step 4) "If event happened, it would really show thing is dying/dead."

Step 5) "Event can happen."

Step 6) "Event will happen."

Step 7) "Event is happening!"

Step 8) "Events 1, 2 and 3 can/will/are happening which forms a narrative proving thing is dying/dead."

Have you considered a career as a journalist?

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

stupidcar wrote: post #244
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

The feeling into "fact" flow: Step 1) "I don't like thing" Step 2) "I really wish thing didn't exist." Step 3) "Thing is probably dying/dead." Step 4) "If event happened, it would really show thing is dying/dead." Step 5) "Event can happen." Step 6) "Event will happen." Step 7) "Event is happening!" Step 8) "Events 1, 2 and 3 can/will/are happening which forms a narrative proving thing is dying/dead." Have you consid…

> Have you considered a career as a journalist?

I really have no skin in this game one way or another. I don't work with cloud companies, I don't make money with non-cloud things either. And I don't give a toot about how this unfolds because I think all things that Tech brings forward these days are bad for humans and society. So whether it's the cloud or ActivityPub or motherfuckers who believe the blockchain will cure the worlds ills ... the only thing that is on my mind is making it until spring, so that I can fuck off again into the woods for a couple of months and not think about it.

But go on with your vague insults if it eases your own personal suffering.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

louhike wrote: post #243
ritchiea wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in your example it wouldn’t mean the cloud is dead, the big US cloud companies would suffer as smaller country and region specific cloud providers thrive.

It's already happening. Because of GPDR, companies in EU tends to avoid american companies. European solutions tends to be preferred.

What most of us who work for BigTech don't see, and I mean Big as in massive traffic and where throughput/latency is a competitive advantage, is that this advantage isn't that important to businesses not operating in that market. For them the benefits far outweigh the risks posed by putting their data up into leaky S3 buckets. And if it's not leaky buckets, it's the potential of a nation-state "alley" that abuses that trust. Even big companies like Airbus, Daimler or BASF (a few random players as an example) don't actually need the advantages that we (who want to roll out apps to an international audience) would think are crucial to dominate a market.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by Aeolun »

rurban wrote: post #198

So the new boss is from Oracle, who hired new managers from SAP and Microsoft, they are hiring like crazy and cutting some old jobs. Looks like they are trying to get rid of internal critics, resistance. Interesting wars

Sounds like the department will soon be dead or dying...

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Post by stingraycharles »

mmmBacon wrote: post #223
stingraycharles wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for this?

Why is this so hard to believe? Politics is a real force.

Of course it’s entirely possible, but if it cannot be backed up with facts it’s just speculation / rumor.

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Post by sbenji »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Data sovereignty will not impact cloud providers as us companies are already regionalizing data.
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