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Post by yspeak »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

I think the only thing that is likely to happen is more European regulation. Easy prediction.

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Post by ldoughty »

PrivateRepo wrote: post #266
dewey wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen That seems extremely unlikely, the products that Google shuts down from time to time are usually not products that make money. GCP is a whole different beast with SLAs, paying customers, huge corporations using it. It also wouldn't make sense to give up the position as one of the few big cloud hosters.

It will start making sense when Google stops shelling out a comparatively-high level of free credits for every new deal. They’re subsidizing their own users to game market share numbers, and at some point the funding to do this will have slow (unless they find out that it actually converts evals to year over year clients).

Our start up got a 6 figure AWS credit with 3 year expiration date... I'd say AWS does the same

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Post by nstj »

stingraycharles wrote: post #205
rurban wrote: post #198

So the new boss is from Oracle, who hired new managers from SAP and Microsoft, they are hiring like crazy and cutting some old jobs. Looks like they are trying to get rid of internal critics, resistance. Interesting wars

Do you have a source for this?

“ The People With Power at Google Cloud”[0]

[0]: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/the-people-with-powe...

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Post by KptMarchewa »

randomguy-gcp wrote: post #230

Many theories and opinions . Here is an observation from someone involved with GCP more than many of you (especially more than the WSJ journalists) - These job cuts are not an indication of the health (or lack of it) of GCP division. From the familiarity I got as a partner, it's probably the consolidation of the sales function. Inside Sales Reps (ISRs) being moved to Field Sales Reps (FSRs) and some of the ISRs being…

>being asked to find jobs elsewhere

One of the worst euphemisms for being fired that I've heard.

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Post by ximaera »

dewey wrote: post #255
corentin88 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

> shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen That seems extremely unlikely, the products that Google shuts down from time to time are usually not products that make money. GCP is a whole different beast with SLAs, paying customers, huge corporations using it. It also wouldn't make sense to give up the position as one of the few big cloud hosters.

They say that's set to be decided in or around 2023 one way or another.

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/google-brass-set-202...

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Post by preillyme »

corentin88 wrote: post #252
mattlondon wrote: post #222

I don't have any knowledge of this, but it sounds to me a lot like a typical everyday re-org or "defragmentation" that happen frequently. Defragmentation example: they have a team with 12 people in California, 5 in New York, 2 in Seattle and 3 in Zurich. They decide to move all roles into one location instead of having the team split all over. If you don't want to move with the role, then you need to find something n…

I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

For that reason alone it seems so silly to me that Google would make this change and cause this headline to occur. Hell like the poor folks rest and vest as the worse case.

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Post by geogra4 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Do you think SAP will come up with a cloud provider to compete with aws and the like? I don't know if there is another European software company big enough for that.

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Post by robk »

downerending wrote: post #49
filoleg wrote: post #36

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This is a very smart tactic that also, as a side effect, brings the average quality across all engineers at the company up. Smart people with desirable skills would have no problem finding another team within Google to transfer to, while bottom tier performers won’t, thus leaving Google.

It'd be interesting to study. My intuition is that over the long term it'd cut in the opposite direction--smart people will move on while bottom tier will linger as long as possible.

In my experience the best leave at the first redeployment. Each subsequent buyout the smarter ones leave, it's rarely the crap people that take a buyout or leave altogether.

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Post by lr4444lr »

noelwelsh wrote: post #265
stupidcar wrote: post #244

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The feeling into "fact" flow: Step 1) "I don't like thing" Step 2) "I really wish thing didn't exist." Step 3) "Thing is probably dying/dead." Step 4) "If event happened, it would really show thing is dying/dead." Step 5) "Event can happen." Step 6) "Event will happen." Step 7) "Event is happening!" Step 8) "Events 1, 2 and 3 can/will/are happening which forms a narrative proving thing is dying/dead." Have you consid…

This response is just rude and adds nothing to the discussion.

It is rude, but the OP says "the cloud is dead" What!? That deserves to be called out.

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Post by robk »

rurban wrote: post #198

So the new boss is from Oracle, who hired new managers from SAP and Microsoft, they are hiring like crazy and cutting some old jobs. Looks like they are trying to get rid of internal critics, resistance. Interesting wars

Folks inside say as much when you talk to them. The oracle guy is not cultural fit like nikesh also wasn't.
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