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Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by mnm1 »

londons_explore wrote: post #107
mnm1 wrote: post #79

So will they be forced to pay backpay to all the employees Apple stole from up to this point? It's unclear if retroactively enforced means backpay, but it should.

Would it be pay at the hourly contracted rate, or pay to meet minimum wage when the extra hours are considered?

Why would it be anything but the hourly contracted rate agreed in the employment contract? Anything else is a breach of contract just like not being paid at all is a breach of contract (which is also illegal but unenforced).

What should happen is a penalty for the CEO. I'd like to see Cook spend a few weeks in jail, incommunicado because I'm sure this was done at his direction. The government will never do anything to hurt such a company's bottom line in a significant way, however. If a regular person steals fifty cents worth of merchandise from the Apple store all hell will rain down upon him, but if Cook steals millions from his employees, he's a great CEO.

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Post by godzillabrennus »

X-Istence wrote: post #224
awinder wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s pretty wild. I wonder how those relationships develop and how sticky they are. C’mon, someone go halfsies with me on a Trunk Club spin on postmates et al

Friend of mine makes hourly what many people earn in a week ($1k hourly billable), so while they lived in LA it made sense to have someone drive them from the airport back home because what should take ~20 minutes at most usually took 2 hours. During those two hours they could work, and thus make money, it didn't make sense to drive themselves. Their company hired a particular car hire service and the drivers would g…

$1k/hour is reasonable billable rate for big law firm partners in a big city. Probably a bit cheap depending on speciality.

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Post by RIMR »

WalterBright wrote: post #240
dragonwriter wrote: post #204

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> If you're doing this, you're probably doing it because you have a specific play that allows you to do it over and over without increasing the compound probability of getting caught— No, most people who do it are just irrational. If you were doing it rationally , sure, that would pretty nearly require what you say to be true, but assuming that everyone acts rationally is...inaccurate.

Most crimes have a pretty poor return on investment. That's why criminals tend to be poor. For example, the people around criminals tend to know they are criminals (and criminals often brag about begin criminals). People don't trust criminals and don't want to do business with them - leaving the criminal with fewer legitimate options for making money.

You've got that backwards.

Most criminals are poor because poverty drives people to crime.

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Post by soperj »

soperj wrote: post #97
jrockway wrote: post #84

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In the minds of the corporate workers that came up with the Apple Store Brand Story, every Apple Store employee is your best friend and will jump at the opportunity to assist you, Apple's most loyal customer, with anything you need. So of course they're not going to make you wait in line like the PC Guy from those ads from 10 years ago would; they will be waiting for you when you walk in, just like Hachikō waited eac…

>ripped $20 bill This is a hilarious problem to anyone who has been using polymer bills for nearly a decade.

lol. You guys are really sensitive about your shitty money.

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Post by pests »

tropdrop wrote: post #223
cletus wrote: post #2

Good. If the company makes you do something, it’s work.

I only wish this would carry to non-California locations and to the service industry in general - when I worked as a waiter in a Rocky Mountain West state, after ending a shift we were not allowed to leave the premises until rolling exactly 100 sets of silverware. If no silverware was available, we would also have to run them through the dishwasher 2-3 times. We additionally had to perform two other "closing" tasks (…

I forget the details or where this applies but someone before on here has mentioned that restaurants are allowed to use a certain percentage of tipped workers time on non-tipable duties like those types of tasks. The usual caveat of minimum wage after tips would still apply.

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Post by paxys »

8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

What would happen is they would require workers to live in the apartment complex across the street (aka "company housing").

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Post by bagacrap »

markovbot wrote: post #206
megablast wrote: post #131

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That is way unfair to the company, when you will have certain people who are 'happy' to travel 1.5 hours each way. This seems insane to me, but there are plenty of people who do this and see no issue at all. How would a company hire local anyway, by rejecting candidates who live to far away? What if they promise to move, but don't end up doing it? > Work with cities to reduce congestion? The only real working way to…

Most people aren't 'happy' to commute 1.5 hours each way, but will 'put up with it be afford food'

I haven't noticed that most automobile commuters look emaciated. If they're commuting that far it's because they want to live in a bigger house in a more affordable neighborhood, or because they NEED to live in a state that has no winter, and not bc it's the only way to stay alive.

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Post by analog31 »

8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

I had a similar thought, about providing free wi-fi and letting people like lawyers and programmers bill the hours that they work while riding on public transit. This would create more demand. I got this idea from dealing with my patent lawyer. It seemed like 90% of the time when I got him on the phone, he was sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic. He could have been billing that time for all I know.

My other weird idea is to have first and second class transit, where the only difference is the price. I got the idea from the trains in Europe. The first class transit would attract people who want to feel like they are getting some exclusive service, and would help fund and support the system overall.

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