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Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by angry_octet »

megous wrote: post #12

"A federal district court judge ruled in favor of Apple, deciding that workers had to prove they not only were restrained from leaving but that there was no way to avoid having personal items searched." So workers that would not have a personal bag would avoid a search? You can take away stuff from the store by hiding it in your clothes, I guess unless you're working naked. How would anyone be able to avoid the searc…

There are some really terrible Federal judges. And they can be there until they die of old age.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by londons_explore »

8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

This is already the case in the UK for employees who frequently work away from their main office - the employer is expected to pay both time and expenses for travel.

It hasn't dramatically reduced commute time for those people IMO.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by tbyehl »

phibz wrote: post #24
olliej wrote: post #4

Omg, I still can't believe that was in any doubt. If you are required to be at work, then you should be paid for that time. Just because you aren't "working" does change that the business is requiring you to be there. If nothing else this should push them to make leaving work not take 20- 45 minutes. WTF. How does anyone think it's acceptable to [funcitonally] detain people.

Clearly someone thought it was unfair enough to take Apple to court over it. Workers rights has always been a struggle but this sort of behavior has been trending up over the last 20 years. From the "permatemp" jobs to the new no benefits "gig economy" it's worrying. I'm and experienced software developer and even I have seen this sort of thing. I worked for a company out of San Jose. I was hired full-time with benef…

Traditionally, "on the bench" meant getting paid between engagements.

A similar type of wage abuse in call centers: The wage is $X/hr while on a call or available in the phone queue, and minimum wage at all other times.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by beambot »

sabujp wrote: post #87

This is how trillion dollar companies earning billions per year treat their employees. Disgusting. Why not tag devices that cannot leave the store using the same tags retailers use to prevent shoplifting?

EAS tags are notoriously simple to bypass for insiders.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by catalogia »

angry_octet wrote: post #86
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re going to spend $50,000 on a computer, you can probably hire two security guards / off duty cops for an hour each at $250 an hour?

The whole notion of employing off duty police as security is antithetical to the proper administration of justice and highlights systematic malaise. As well as the fear of robbery for such a low value and traceable item. Edit because I can't reply: Just off duty police. Police have significant powers, even off duty. In addition, if you pay them well they might do favors for you when on duty. Like looking for someone…

Do you oppose security guards in general, or only off-duty police officers working as security guards? I ask because as far as I can tell the practical alternative is to hire some guy who flunked out of the police academy and became a security guard instead, which seems... worse.

Personally I navigate life without hiring any security guards. But I recognize that some people and/or circumstances might have legitimate need for one.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by angry_octet »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #43
pier25 wrote: post #3

Is this common in the US? (retail workers being searched)

I used to work in stadium tech and you were searched when leaving the Cowboys stadium more thoroughly than when entering.

If only management were checked as thoroughly to prevent wage theft.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by soperj »

jrockway wrote: post #84
FriendlyNormie wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Apple really have a “process” for picking items up? I ordered a maxed out iMac Pro for around $15,000 and waited nearly a month for it to finally arrive at the store. I got a voice mail and an email instructing me to come pick it up. Only upon driving all the way to the store was I finally informed in person that they “accidentally” gave my iMac Pro to the wrong customer an hour ago who had merely ordered a base…

In the minds of the corporate workers that came up with the Apple Store Brand Story, every Apple Store employee is your best friend and will jump at the opportunity to assist you, Apple's most loyal customer, with anything you need. So of course they're not going to make you wait in line like the PC Guy from those ads from 10 years ago would; they will be waiting for you when you walk in, just like Hachikō waited eac…

>ripped $20 bill

This is a hilarious problem to anyone who has been using polymer bills for nearly a decade.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by claudeganon »

8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

The privatization of all kinds of costs onto labor by Capital is actually a well-analyzed subject:

https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/3555-mapping-social-reprodu...

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by londons_explore »

ivalm wrote: post #90
8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

What happens if someone moves while at the job ? What happens if there is a traffic jam? What happens if the worker typically doesn't drive home directly after work (or doesn't come to work from home)? Etc....

Sign into work laptop. Then start driving to work.

If there's a traffic jam, that's the employers problem.

For 'going somewhere else after work', it wouldn't be officially allowed - you are still working till you arrive home. Obviously some workplaces could perhaps allow flexibility as a benefit.

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