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Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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>ripped $20 bill This is a hilarious problem to anyone who has been using polymer bills for nearly a decade.

Um, polymer bills rip too.

only if they're cut. In practice I can tell you how many ripped bills I've dealt with since we've had them. 0.

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Does Apple really have a “process” for picking items up? I ordered a maxed out iMac Pro for around $15,000 and waited nearly a month for it to finally arrive at the store. I got a voice mail and an email instructing me to come pick it up. Only upon driving all the way to the store was I finally informed in person that they “accidentally” gave my iMac Pro to the wrong customer an hour ago who had merely ordered a base…

In the minds of the corporate workers that came up with the Apple Store Brand Story, every Apple Store employee is your best friend and will jump at the opportunity to assist you, Apple's most loyal customer, with anything you need. So of course they're not going to make you wait in line like the PC Guy from those ads from 10 years ago would; they will be waiting for you when you walk in, just like Hachikō waited eac…

There are now close to 1 billion iPhone users around the world. With only 506 Apple Stores, and over half of those Stores are in US.

After Angela left Apple, the first thing they did were "revert" all the thing changes back to Steve Jobs era.

Basically Apple Retail has been a pile of mess since Steve passed away, not keeping up with the huge iPhone growth, and none of the Retail SVP had any idea what is best for Apple Store.

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Can you get it delivered directly to your home/business? Might be a solution.

and get it tossed out of the UPS truck as it does a slow drive-by your address.

Anything worth over $500 is going to automatically require a signature on delivery, so little chance it’ll just get tossed off the truck.

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It becomes a little more tricky when it is optional, as in this case. The only thing that gets searched is a bag if you choose to bring it to work. The simple solution for ape is to ban bags at work so nobody gets searched.

And simply not hire anybody who needs medication or pre-menopausal women?

Issue a clear company branded bag. This is actually a somewhat common practice in certain US schools for safety reasons.

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That’s surprising, if only because I’m not sure how you could steal more than $10 worth of stuff without a full garbage bag. Didn’t seem to help them. They filed for bankruptcy.

> if only because I’m not sure how you could steal more than $10 worth of stuff without a full garbage bag. People who have an idea how to do it, please don't write it here, as it can lead to worsening of the situation for store workers.

Your regular honest worker is better off, when dishonest coworkers won't steal.

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Would you be unhappy if someone stole money from your bank account? Because you're condoning theft. It's not clever business practices, it's theft.

>Would you be unhappy if someone stole money from your bank account? If I'm the one being stolen, of course but not if I'm the one who stole (again provided I will not be in trouble). Provided they won't get in trouble, how is it not a clever business practice?

Is there anything you consider going too far at all? Murdering people to harvest organs?

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Why would Apple even waste their time arguing this? They're obviously wrong: change the policy and move on

You don't get to be the richest company in the world by paying your workers well.

Google and Microsoft are doing pretty well.

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> it is just another business decision, namely reducing cost and increasing profit. And effectively stealing from their employees. > I would do the same. You would steal from your employees too?

> You would steal from your employees too? if the benefit > risk/cost then absolutely.

I mean this guy is basically a good illustration of what we need to keep in mind when we make laws and regulations.

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Watches, jewellery etc. Low value is relative. $50k is a lot to many people, but compared to human life, $50k isn't worth the risk.

Average person though, no? Im not sure even half the people in the 97th percentile having one watch or piece of jewelry worth $50K.

Depending on where you live and what you prioritize. Among the people I know, very few own their apartment or use a car. And a $50k car is not the cheapest either... In the US it might be an average, but here in Europe where the public transportation works well you have to be making a lot of money to have a $50k car be worth it in the city. In my case, it could then be argued that the average person doesn't own a car or a house either.

Many families have watches or jewellery that gets passed down the family tree. A $50k watch or a piece of jewellery is something that lasts for many generations. Most people who own a watch of in that price point never paid for it, but got it as a gift. Also, timepieces of that value often rise up in value.

Anyway, it's beside the point. Whether the average person owns what doesn't affect what $50k is relative to a human life.

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There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. https://marxist.ca/article/why-there-is-no-ethical-consumpti... > I bet you can’t even survive if you don’t abuse employees So what? It's still abuse.

My point is it’s funny to see people call out others’ abuse of employees when the same people, the vast majority of the time, support the abusers by choosing to support their business. The proper response needs to be political support for laws to protect all labor with harsh penalties, not waiting for certain groups to sue in court.

How do I know which companies abuse employees and which dont? If I ask the staff, will they tell me? Why is the companies press office even allowed to lie to me about worker conditions without going to jail for fraud?

It's not always cheapest stuff either - apple product charge a premium and Foxconn employees are not treated well.

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