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Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by damq »

8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

That would seem to incentivize employees to live farther away from work. If you spend 2 hours every day sitting in traffic, that's an extra 2 hours pay you receive. I know a lot of people who would gladly jump on the opportunity to make an extra day's pay every week just by commuting an unnecessary distance.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by rland »

captain_qwark wrote: post #118
na85 wrote: post #114

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Ugh, what an icky position to take. You're essentially arguing that workers should submit to whatever corporate dystopia the owner class can cook up, or else they'll simply find their jobs outsourced to countries where people don't have the luxury of organizing for collective action to improve labour conditions because they're too busy scraping to put food on the table.

Explain to me how waiting 20 minutes after punching out is a dystopia.

Please come over to my house and cook me dinner. It will take only 20 minutes!

I won't pay you.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by tpmoney »

mr_toad wrote: post #156
FriendlyNormie wrote: post #53

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Does Apple really have a “process” for picking items up? I ordered a maxed out iMac Pro for around $15,000 and waited nearly a month for it to finally arrive at the store. I got a voice mail and an email instructing me to come pick it up. Only upon driving all the way to the store was I finally informed in person that they “accidentally” gave my iMac Pro to the wrong customer an hour ago who had merely ordered a base…

They probably get paid on commission for walk-in sales. I’ve seen other stores appropriate internet orders to make a sale. From the salespersons perspective they don’t have much to lose.

Apple retail employees aren’t paid on commission AFAIK. Flat rate whether you buy an iPad or a $15k Mac Pro. The theory was to avoid the “grandma got talked into a multi thousand dollar computer and a billion accessories she didn’t need because that’s how the employee gets the most money.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by theonemind »

captain_qwark wrote: post #108

This kind of shit is why companies export labor to other countries. American workers are so expensive for so many reasons unrelated to the actual labor, and it's all because worker rights have moved from the realm of "what needs to be" to "what should be". Of course it would be ideal if your employer paid you for the time it took to search you after work, but this is a luxury. Sure Apple has the money to hire that ne…

We can solve "don't legally have to" by clarifying that they will "legally have to." As for the rest, if they want to run retail in the United States, they will comply or they will not retail in the United States. I bet they actually want Americans to be able to walk into retail stores and shop. You can't outsource that job.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

pdkl95 wrote: post #157
lotsofpulp wrote: post #125

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All the buyers who choose to buy at cheaper prices from sellers who cut corners such as matz1 is saying enable the behavior. Sweatshops are common knowledge, yet everyone has no problem continuing to purchase garments from them at cheaper prices, not to mention the electronics, chemicals, and who knows what else we get from other places with even more lax oversight. In some businesses, I bet you can’t even survive if…

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. https://marxist.ca/article/why-there-is-no-ethical-consumpti... > I bet you can’t even survive if you don’t abuse employees So what? It's still abuse.

My point is it’s funny to see people call out others’ abuse of employees when the same people, the vast majority of the time, support the abusers by choosing to support their business.

The proper response needs to be political support for laws to protect all labor with harsh penalties, not waiting for certain groups to sue in court.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by eru »

cletus wrote: post #2

Good. If the company makes you do something, it’s work.

It's a bit more transparent, but won't make much of a difference to the bottom line in the long run:

The actual work done won't change from the relabeling, and Apple can adjust the hourly wages to get roughly to the same level of total compensation as before. (Modulo boundary effects from America's love affair with minimum wage laws, should they kick in.)

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by [deleted] »

soperj wrote: post #97
jrockway wrote: post #84

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In the minds of the corporate workers that came up with the Apple Store Brand Story, every Apple Store employee is your best friend and will jump at the opportunity to assist you, Apple's most loyal customer, with anything you need. So of course they're not going to make you wait in line like the PC Guy from those ads from 10 years ago would; they will be waiting for you when you walk in, just like Hachikō waited eac…

>ripped $20 bill This is a hilarious problem to anyone who has been using polymer bills for nearly a decade.

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Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by hxyhsjsxycy »

FriendlyNormie wrote: post #53
jrockway wrote: post #15

> Employees are supposed to find a manager or security officer to do the searches after they clock out. Employees estimate that waiting for and undergoing the searches can take five to 20 minutes, or, on busiest days, up to 45 minutes. This also seems to be their process for picking up orders at the store. It's pure chaos, and I find it at least somewhat amusing that at least Apple treats their employees and customer…

Does Apple really have a “process” for picking items up? I ordered a maxed out iMac Pro for around $15,000 and waited nearly a month for it to finally arrive at the store. I got a voice mail and an email instructing me to come pick it up. Only upon driving all the way to the store was I finally informed in person that they “accidentally” gave my iMac Pro to the wrong customer an hour ago who had merely ordered a base…

>Furthermore I don’t want to risk some rogue employee’s goons taking it to the next level by physically attacking me and robbing me on the way to my car.

I laughed. This is why customer interaction is often kept minimal, rediculous concerns like this.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by throwaway2048 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #165
pdkl95 wrote: post #157

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There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. https://marxist.ca/article/why-there-is-no-ethical-consumpti... > I bet you can’t even survive if you don’t abuse employees So what? It's still abuse.

My point is it’s funny to see people call out others’ abuse of employees when the same people, the vast majority of the time, support the abusers by choosing to support their business. The proper response needs to be political support for laws to protect all labor with harsh penalties, not waiting for certain groups to sue in court.

lets say hypothetically, nearly every farm worker was horribly abused.

Would people be hypocrites that shouldn't dare call out that injustice because they need to eat?

Acting like participation in a system is some kind of grave strike against protesting terrible aspects of the system is less than helpful, both logically and rhetorically.

It is pretty much the definition of tu quoque and a really lazy defence of the status quo

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by amylene »

warent wrote: post #124
im3w1l wrote: post #103

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A maxed out computer is a perishable good - it's not going to be maxed out for long - and when it isn't the price falls rapidly. Did you get compensated for one month's depreciation?

The fact that there seems to have been no compensation is evidence to me that this was an intentional scam by the employee and they're doing what they can not to call attention to it. In my experience Apple is extremely generous with compensating for errors like this. For example, when I sent my MBP 2016 in for a keyboard repair, they decided to take that opportunity to upgrade the SSD from 256GB to 1TB. This is just…

How does q corporations unwillingness to spend money connect with the idea that it’s a scam? I mean, it could be a scam.. but how does this specific piece of evidence connect?

It sounds more like a piece of unrelated information that you are leveraging to support the story you told yourself.

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