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Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
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Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#72Last stat i saw was something along the lines of 3k people dieing in crashes everyday. I personally "almost crash" at least 4 times a day. Driving is a dangerous game.
You almost crash at least 4 times a day?? I have no stats but I don't think that's normal. You should be driving much more defensively if that's the case.
The drivers around here are very aggressive while at the same time bad at calculating cause and effect of their actions
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#73Question: if the guy thought the Autopilot was failing, why did he continue to use it?
He needed to finish KrazyKupKakes level 18.
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#74IMHO the fault ultimately lies with Caltrans. Poorly drawn lane markers resulted in a human driver hitting the barrier just days before destroying the arresting system. If the lanes had been painted correctly and the arresting system replaced the Tesla driver would not have died.
I think an auto driving system needs to have a higher margin of safety than a human driver, not the same or worse.
People say a self-driving car is safer than the average person. I say, well, I'm above average, because I don't drink or text while driving, for starters. So people say "well you just think you're a better driver - everyone thinks that and on average they're wrong". And I say, assume I'm lying about not drinking or texting, it's still a lot cheaper and more efficient to stop doing that than to buy a new car with the latest tech.
If a self-driving car isn't safer than a sober professional driver, then wouldn't it be logical to just have people ride the bus instead of wasting resources on tech? I knew a bus driver who went a million miles without an accident.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
How much space do you keep in between other drivers and yourself?
Its not about space. Its about how quickly the space can change from driving along to full on collision if a mistake is made by myself or several hundred other cars.
You have more time to react when you have more space
Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot
#76I am intrigued by Teslas, and am considering purchasing one. However, I would feel better about the purchase if there was absolutely no autopilot software or hardware on board. Ideally that would mean zero , including non-autopilot builds of all system and control software so there is no chance the car will ever engage autopilot. Is it possible to buy a Tesla completely devoid of autopilot, or is this type of acciden…
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Autopilot never meant full automatic control. In a plane context, which was the most common until now, it's only used to keep a trajectory steady, and anything unusual has to be taken care of by a human pilot. From what I've seen, the general public has an inaccurate perspective on airplane autopilot systems. Loads of people think pilots simply push a button then sit back and relax as the plane automatically taxis,…
> From what I've seen Where? How? That's not a scientific statement. > Loads of people think pilots simply push a button then sit back and relax as the plane automatically taxis, takes off, flies then lands itself. Who thinks that? That seems like a hyperbole and you can't possibly know. > Tesla chose to inherit those misconceptions. Assuming all those above assumptions are true and assuming Tesla reached those same…
I wouldn't normally use it as a source, but Urban Dictionary shows that colloquially plenty of people consider autopilot to be complete automatic control (worryingly, even to the point of blackout drunkenness).
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#78I have a car with the "autopilot" feature like the Tesla, but they call it adaptive cruise control and lane assist. The adaptive cruise control works pretty well; I guess it only needs to check the radar to see what's in front to slow down. The lane assist is problematic in recognizing different kind of lanes and would steer off course from time to time. I guess the current state of "autopilot" technology is simply n…
A lot of rental cars I've used in Italy have this lane assist feature. Italian roads often have... inconsistent or incomplete... markings. After the first day driving I had to Google how to switch it off, because it tried to crash the car several times. I don't understand how these features can be launched in this state.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
"It does not mean "full and complete attention the entire time lest it send you into the side of a semi at highway speeds" or "direct you into a concrete barrier"." Presumably "Autopilot" is a reference to aircraft, and they do not fly milliseconds away from concrete. (at least not the vast majority of the time) So if you want to be literal, then the word autopilot shouldn't give you confidence you aren't going to hi…
That is extremely overliteral.
Yeah, so how do you decide where it crosses the line?
You can interpret it as a metaphor, or very literally.
It seems unreasonable to me to interpret it exactly as literally as necessary to make your argument against Tesla the strongest.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the curse of SAE Level 3. The driver is responsible for monitoring a system that works fine 99% of the time, they start to feel a false sense of security and when it does fail they're not paying as much attention as they need to be. This is also why SAE autonomy levels are a poor measure of a vehicle's capabilities, but that's another rant.
It's still safer than not having it.
Not if it requires constant supervision, yet lulls the driver into a false sense of security such that they are predisposed to not provide that constant supervision.