My god if apple did something like this people would burn cities down. Why do people still trust Microsoft when their OS is literally a native advertising and tracking tool now
On iOS Apple would just not allow Firefox and be done with it.
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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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Apple isn't without their own problems: https://imgur.com/a/PFRlJMB Not as egregious as what MS is doing, but I set my default browser away from Safari on purpose, thanks.
I think every browser does this. Firefox asks the same thing.
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This seems pretty common, and I've not heard anyone consider it a problem before. For example radio stations commonly run promos for their own shows while not accepting ads for shows on other stations. Do you consider that shady too? If not, how do to you distinguish the Microsoft case?
Rules for advertising on radio and TV are a lot older and consequently more comprehensive, and there's a lot of variation from one country to another, of course. But at least where I'm from, it's explicitly forbidden for radio stations (in fact it's illegal for any company) to run any kind of comparative advertising that denigrates a competitor's product. It's OK to show off your product, and it's OK to compare your…
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#204Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…
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People are complaining about Microsoft pushing Edge on Windows. Google pushes Chrome on google.com all the time. Frequently with some negative comment about your current browser. They may be less negative now than what I remember, haven't looked at one in forever.
I'm sure Google is shady in this, and many other ways, too, but I really don't see how it's important in this discussion. If Google is doing the same thing then I hope they choke on their Bacardi and Coke, too, but the news is that Microsoft is also doing it now. I'm not sure what the adequate reaction here would have been. Should I have added a "P.S. oh yeah by the way Google is also doing this, don't forget to hate…
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#206This, and every other screw-up in the same vein, is why those of us old enough to remember the Halloween documents don't buy the whole "new Microsoft" thing. Want to get me to try Edge? Great -- instead of a passive-aggressive ad, try telling me how it's better than Firefox and why I'd like to use it instead. What will it get me? Better privacy? Better performance? Better development tools? Cynically, it's amazing th…
Over the last couple of years I've been coming round to the fact that microsoft aren't necessarily a major problem now, compared to google and amazon at least. Doesn't take much to put the shields back upto full. I just don't understand why people run windows. Maybe I just use computers wrong, having been on linux for the last 20 years, but my family (who I refuse to help with IT needs) are all far happier on chromeb…
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#207This is just a sad fact of (at least, US) corporations. Stock price, stock price, stock price.
It even afflicts our beloved Apple. They pull the same tactics but somehow get a pass, most of the time.
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Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. This has been Microsoft forever. They have always made some good things, but from a business perspective, they've always been parasitoids. They infect you, then eventually consume you from the inside-out. THAT is their DNA. And so far, I have seen z…
Thats the DNA of pretty much any profit based oganization.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#209Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…
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Google is free - ads are expected. Microsoft is a paid product. Completely different situations.
I disagree that it's completely different situations. I have not seen anywhere in the legal structure that allows such moves if advertisements are enabled. It is still a company abusing their monopoly situation to influence another market. In fact Google did it worse by blocking browsers purely by user-agent to key google services like maps to block the entry or Fire devices or windows phone devices. Both cases aren'…