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Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#142Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…
How is this shady compared to Google's ads for Chrome on google.com or the paid search results in the App Store? All the tech giants participate in this behavior.
Microsoft are somehow now expected to be the good guy, because everything else will harm your GitHub social credits that are required for hiring being hired in SV.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Windows division has never really been part of the "New Microsoft", it seems from the outside.
Microsoft didn't buy Github out of the goodness of their heart. They also didn't buy it because of it's significant revenue, a couple hundred million is probably a marketing budget to Microsoft, not something that drives the bottom line. Microsoft also didn't buy it to score appearance points with the socially conscious dev community that populated most of Github, although it was a nice PR story for a bit. You could…
> train models to write code
I've seen "deep dream". You'll get models that produce stuff that locally looks like code but doesn't actually make sense. Code-like extruded product. People will waste careers on the "steering" and "minor fixups" necessary to make it actually work which will be orders of magnitude larger than the work needed to just write the software in the first place.
That's the cost of giving up symbolic AI in favour of pattern recognition.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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I get people don't want it. But it's the least 'shady' advertising I've seen in years!
Any advertising that's badmouthing another product is shady. I don't know what advertising you've been seeing that's so much worse.
‘Are you still drinking coffee brand A? Try coffee brand B!’ Seems almost comically benign, 50s-style advertising to my ears.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#145I love Firefox, I use it on every OS. I do use Chrome for accessing my RStudio server because the performance is significantly better. Chrome on Android also feels better than Firefox on Android but I use both interchangeably. I use Edge for reading PDFs on my windows PC because it is usually convenient and somewhat infrequent.
Im not entirely convinced why, but think very strongly that it is important to diversify your software and hardware solutions. Additionally it seems prudent that one company doesn't own the full stack, this pushes me away from Edge and Safari.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is this shady compared to Google's ads for Chrome on google.com or the paid search results in the App Store? All the tech giants participate in this behavior.
I think part of the issue is that it is on the OS level rather than browser level on a specific website but I agree, they are all shady.
We should all (immediately) forget the old days, when Microsoft was just selling us the "Operating System" and then let us to our own devices. Now they realized that they lost the Smartphone game (the opportunity to siphon our data like Android and iOS do)(to some degree or another).
I am using Firefox because it doesn't belong to anyone. I have zero faith on the privacy of Chrome. I believe (haven't tested and I won't bother) that everything one does on Chrome ends up in Google's data-hungry machine. Microsoft is mirroring that. I find it disgusting enough that they "telemetry"-ze the shit out of everything one does with their Win10. Now they want to get that extra on our browsing habits to complete the tracking.
I don't know if it's just Microsoft's greed or the (proven) relationship with the 3-letter-agencies (not wearing tinfoil hat), but still, they become more intrusive and it is NOT for our benefit.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, but Google would be more than happy to put the later on their main search page. Not really any different. Microsoft controls Windows and uses it to advance corporate goals. Google owns their search interface and uses it to advance their corporate goals.
Google is free - ads are expected. Microsoft is a paid product. Completely different situations.
I disagree that it's completely different situations. I have not seen anywhere in the legal structure that allows such moves if advertisements are enabled. It is still a company abusing their monopoly situation to influence another market.
In fact Google did it worse by blocking browsers purely by user-agent to key google services like maps to block the entry or Fire devices or windows phone devices.
Both cases aren't acceptible and both should be punished imho.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#148I'm beginning to get tired of these shitbirds. Remember when "bad behavior" was bundling a web browser with your OS? How innocent we were.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#149Why Firefox? Chrome has a bigger market share to take. Edge is built on Chromium now so it should be a more familiar environment for Chrome users. Microsoft is in a position to compete with many of the integration features that make Chrome appealing to many users. Surely it makes more sense to target Chrome than Firefox.
Maybe because driving Firefox out of relevance would result in one less browser vendor working on the privacy front.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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If W10 is on 800,000,000 computers[1], and it costs each user 1 second of productivity, then every time that ad shows, Microsoft is stealing 222,222 hours of productivity from people and businesses around the world to advertise its subpar browser in an operating system they've already been compensated for. https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-says-windows-10-is-n...
>Microsoft is stealing 222,222 hours of productivity You better don't want your boss to know how much HN is stealing "hours of productivity" from you :)
Hey, this forum gives us ideas, helps us learn more, helps us become better!!! If anything our bosses should give us more time to spend on HN!! ;)