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Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Any advertising that's badmouthing another product is shady. I don't know what advertising you've been seeing that's so much worse.

‘Are you still drinking coffee brand A? Try coffee brand B!’ Seems almost comically benign, 50s-style advertising to my ears.

If Microsoft had run that ad in the usual places accessible to everyone that can afford it there would not be much outrage.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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post #139

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Apple isn't without their own problems: https://imgur.com/a/PFRlJMB Not as egregious as what MS is doing, but I set my default browser away from Safari on purpose, thanks.

I think every browser does this. Firefox asks the same thing.

The only contention here is MS adding it to Start bar; not just when you're inside FF w/ a separate default. Leveraging the more power.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…

Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. This has been Microsoft forever. They have always made some good things, but from a business perspective, they've always been parasitoids. They infect you, then eventually consume you from the inside-out. THAT is their DNA. And so far, I have seen z…

Thats the DNA of pretty much any profit based oganization.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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> How is this shady Largely because it's Microsoft. Everyone else does cross promotion of their products but some people hold a special place in their heart for hating on Microsoft. It usually manifests itself with frothing at the mouth, exposition about how they were sued as a monopoly, and they're the devil. It's as if Microsoft was breaking into homes in the 90s and swapping your Macs out for PCs. Someone will res…

I've never had google ads randomly pop up on my desktop environment. When that starts happening, maybe you have a point.

Google lives in a browser. Your average consumer's computing rarely leaves the browser today. Apples to oranges.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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What's funny about this is they seem like they're way behind the times. A long time ago I switched to Firefox... it got worse (comparatively), and I switched to Chrome for everything, a long time ago.

Google started disabling and neutering things like ad blocking, enforcing rules and settings with exceptions for Google domains. Firefox dramatically improved both its responsiveness and its security and privacy features. Last year, I switched back to Firefox.

Why was Edge not a consideration? Because I use Macs everywhere except my gaming PC at home.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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This is pretty sad, but Apple was doing this as well. Less mean tho. But at every restart of Chrome, I had a notification to use Safari. https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968

Google, Apple, Microsoft - the holy trinity of abusing dominant market positions. Would that change if they were broken up? Somehow my hunch is that the "independent" Edge or Chrome subsidiaries will immediately get roped into a gimme-data-or-else revenue agreement with the remainder of GOOG and/or MSFT...

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. This has been Microsoft forever. They have always made some good things, but from a business perspective, they've always been parasitoids. They infect you, then eventually consume you from the inside-out. THAT is their DNA. And so far, I have seen z…

Thats the DNA of pretty much any profit based oganization.

One that isn’t true and two these comments are thought terminating. Please be more careful next time.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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post #91

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Or you could just use a window manager that doesn’t change? I’ve had the same desktop env for over a decade and nothing has changed at all. In contrast with windows and osx where we literally cannot opt out.

I entirely understand alxlaz's position, buy my solution was exactly sticking to better window managers (in terms of long term support). My workstation is Linux since '98 or '99, and since then I've used GNUstep for about a decade, then i3 and now sway (basically i3 for Wayland). I'm free from the breaking changes alxlaz describes. I just checked, and GNUstep is pretty much alive. Even that change was caused by me wa…

Ah, I'm in a similar-ish boat, I use WindowMaker :). This isolates me from most, but definitely not all dubious changes. I've been down the tiling WM rabbit hole a while ago but it's just not for me, I like the mouse, I like icons...

It's a little unsettling that there are two ways to get a stable experience: using window manager from 1998 (OK, ok, WindowMaker is still maintained-ish, in fact a very tiny portion of the code written after 1998 is mine :-) ), or getting used to a workflow akin to that of Windows 1.01 (i.e. a tiling WM).

On the bright side, though, yeah, at least we have a choice!

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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post #34

One of the many reasons why I hate Windows 10. Just get out of my way and let me use my computer how I want. I'd put on my "smug Linux user" hat but to be honest my distro of choice (Ubuntu) has Amazon search integrated by default. The only saving grace is that it can be easily, completely, and permanently removed with just a couple of commands. Seriously considering a Macbook for my next computer at this point.

Why is Ubuntu your distro of choice then? No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater by buying into Apple's walled garden.

Because Ubuntu is still the closest you get to "it just works" for Linux Desktops. (Not claiming you actually get there, just close).
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