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Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Delmania wrote: post #102
aneutron wrote: post #6

Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…

How is this shady compared to Google's ads for Chrome on google.com or the paid search results in the App Store? All the tech giants participate in this behavior.

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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by Psyladine »

IggleSniggle wrote: post #109
despera wrote: post #84

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"Again"? When did they stop? You mean that hypocritical "MS loves Linux" stuff while their partners are digging the grave for FOSS like in Munich?

Saying "again" has zero bearing on frequency, unless you mean to suggest that every single action that MS and it's individual employees take are "shady stuff," continuously, without exception.

>every single action

It doesn't have to suggest all actions, only re-occurring behavior. Microsoft had a well deserved reputation as a grim reaper in the tech industry.

http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepape...

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by celticmusic »

cptskippy wrote: post #158
Delmania wrote: post #102

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How is this shady compared to Google's ads for Chrome on google.com or the paid search results in the App Store? All the tech giants participate in this behavior.

> How is this shady Largely because it's Microsoft. Everyone else does cross promotion of their products but some people hold a special place in their heart for hating on Microsoft. It usually manifests itself with frothing at the mouth, exposition about how they were sued as a monopoly, and they're the devil. It's as if Microsoft was breaking into homes in the 90s and swapping your Macs out for PCs. Someone will res…

I've never had google ads randomly pop up on my desktop environment. When that starts happening, maybe you have a point.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by sergiosgc »

smabie wrote: post #91
alxlaz wrote: post #78

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> I just don't understand why people run windows. I've used Linux for about the same time and honestly, I understand it completely. I would switch, were it not for muscle memory and for the fact that at least 50% of my work involves systems-level development for Linux (mainly embedded stuff, so a lot of cross-compiling). In the last five or six years I've come to dread the Linux desktop and its constant churn of rewr…

Or you could just use a window manager that doesn’t change? I’ve had the same desktop env for over a decade and nothing has changed at all. In contrast with windows and osx where we literally cannot opt out.

I entirely understand alxlaz's position, buy my solution was exactly sticking to better window managers (in terms of long term support). My workstation is Linux since '98 or '99, and since then I've used GNUstep for about a decade, then i3 and now sway (basically i3 for Wayland). I'm free from the breaking changes alxlaz describes.

I just checked, and GNUstep is pretty much alive. Even that change was caused by me wanting to try tiling window managers, not support failure.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by nomadiccoder »

metalliqaz wrote: post #130

I dread the web we will get if Firefox dies. Could you imagine the only major browser being created by the largest advertiser?

Firefox is great as a product and even greater for this reason. All other browsers are either packaged with the OS (by the company selling the OS) or as you said.

Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu

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Post by moksly »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #55
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #9

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How do normal people (who use Windows) think that this is ok? In what universe is that possibly ok - to put ads in a paid-for OS? No matter the context, no matter the version of an os, no matter the reason, no matter what the ads are for, no matter that they could through some questionable hacking or editing be removed - ads in a paid-for OS. Has the whole world gone crazy? What is going on here?

Isn't windows free now?

Not really, I have a stationery that is pretty much an expensive gaming console, and I paid around $115 to get a Windows version on it. So it’s really sort of disgusting when it pre-installs various free-to-play installers or uses the start search menu for advertisements.

Hell, after years of having used *nix as my primary OS on my personal development laptop, I switched it to a surface pro 6 last year. I’m fairly certain these things is going to push me back to a Linux laptop.

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