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Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I mean it can’t possibly be about CD issues because that’s trivially solved by using a digital music player. I can see the argument about the giant album art making it more of a ritual, but all of the CD complaints sound like lame justifications IMO.

Why do you feel the parent needs to justify their preferences of vinyl over CDs?

The parent felt that, not I.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

On top of what everyone else has said: reliability.

My record player + amp have never had any problems I couldn't fix on the spot. Only things I've had to repair/replace were needle cartridges and the belt, both of which take under five minutes to fix. My vinyl setup has outlived my smartphones and will likely continue to do so.

Streaming music can have problems I can't easily fix. It's like the difference between an old car which still uses carbs compared to a new BMW: you can tear the former apart in your garage and rebuild it, but you have to pay someone to help you for the latter.

That isn't the primary reason I use vinyl, but all of the better reasons have been covered already.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Manual transmission has clear advantage in responsiveness. Being used to manual, I've just driven an automatic for three days. Despite having 50% more power than my old car, it felt terribly slow because of the gear shift delays.

No, manual transmissions are a clear loser when it comes to responsiveness. You have to manually disengage the clutch, manually change the gear and manually engage the clutch. For comparison, the dual clutch transmission in the Nissan GT-R can shift in 0.15 seconds and that's a 10+ year old car. The ZF 8HP, which is a conventional torque converter transmission used for example in the new BMW M5, is apparently able to…

The problem with e.g. DCTs is that it can't do 0.x seconds consistently. It can only do that if they are switching from an odd to an even gear or vice versa where the target gear has been pre-selected. If the wrong target gear is pre-selected, it takes 1.x seconds. There are extra delays from where you'd want the gear to be engaged to the TCU noticing that it needs to be engaged to the gear actually being engaged. The former delays were quite dominant, esp. in older implementations (I don't know how much progress has been made).

Both DCTs and converter transmissions require far more maintenance than manual transmissions (e.g. DCT requires oil change every 60k, overhaul after 180k).

Changing gears on a manual transmission arguably takes more time, at least when the DCT has guessed correctly, but it doesn't matter nearly as much, because you, as the driver, are able to initiate the process in advance, because you have more information than the TCU, which approximately only has a tuple of (vehicle speed, engine RPM, current gear, gas pedal position, brake pedal position, D/S mode) to guess which gear to switch to soon.

Also, automatics still mean you have to know and understand gears, unless you live in a very flat piece of land, or don't care about fuel consumption and wear.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

I hate everything about CDs. The flimsy jewel cases that break all the time, the tiny artwork, how easily CDs scratch, how choosing a song requires clicking stupid buttons, the delay after inserting CDs, the high pitched whine of the motor, the sound of the stepper motor as it moves the laser... When I listen to music, I want to slow down and relax, and taking a record out of the sleeve is just so much nicer than fid…

Most classic albums released first on vinyl were released before the loudness wars, most CD (re)releases were during or after the loudness wars. That may explain much of the impression that vinyl sounds better.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

#77
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I never understood the hype for vinyl records -- they aren't that much better than CDs when compared to shellac...

Vinyl is better than CDs?

It has to be for some people in some aspect, otherwise there wouldn't be any demand?

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Vinyl records are perhaps one of the best examples of commodity fetishism; in fact, they perfectly illustrate Mark Fisher's notion of "lost futures" (by way of Derrida's hauntology). Even the discussion and detailed analysis of vinyl (so as to justify its supposed acoustic superiority) is to miss the forest for the trees.

Of course the rabid capitalists on this forum would fall over themselves to exploit this for financial gain. There may even be quite a few who see this sociopathy as a badge of honour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk8ibrfXvpQ

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

#79
post #68

I never understood the hype for vinyl records -- they aren't that much better than CDs when compared to shellac...

CD is way overrated. Terrible, even.

Like, if you compare film to digital photography, but film was represented by ISO160 monochromatic Kodak, and all the digital photographic technology was represented by a 640x480 prototype camera from 2001, instead of a RED or even a yesteryear phone, then it’ll be immediately obvious that analog far outperforms digital full stop.

That’s how vinyl remains “superior”. CD is terrible, not digital quantization playback in general, but because it represents “digital” somehow anyway, analog wins.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The microphones faithfully follow the soundwaves.. the A class amplifiers faithfully follow the sound waves.. the cutting needle faithfully follows the sound waves... the grooves in the record faithfully follow the soundwaves.. the needle on the record faithfully follow the soundwaves.. the speakers faithfully follow the sound waves... the soundwaves faithfully follow the soundwaves... Even with a crackle and pop, yo…

Only one item on your list faithfully follows the soundwaves. The rest are inaccurate in their own unique way. Microphones throw out sound you don't want. The entire cutting needle thing has some pretty fundamental accuracy limits. The record player introduces all kinds of distortion, my favourite being the 'wow' of a motor turning at an inconsistent speed, causing minor fluctuations in pitch. The speakers, if they w…

In defense of vinyl, real good vinyl setup sounds just like CD, only better.

(said this in another tree but: my understanding is CD sucks among digital formats, not necessarily vinyl rocks.)

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