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Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by hnuser123456 »

scarejunba wrote: post #44
bonestamp2 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do both. Digital music is way more convenient to initiate, continue, store and take with you -- so I use that the most. But, it's almost too convenient in some cases to the point where I often don't appreciate what is really happening and the music just becomes background noise. Although it's obviously possible, I rarely use digital music to sit and listen to an entire album anymore. On the other hand, when I liste…

That's probably just the groups you circle in. Our group chats were all buzzing after Lane8's latest release. People had opinions, posted their favourite remix, talked about songs that evoked similar feelings.

I love Anjunabeats, Above&Beyond, and I really dig what Lane8 is doing. "Howling Hand" seems to stick out for me and I've added it to the more relaxed of my top-tier playlists. But overall it's just a little too chill for me.

Have you heard the ABGT350 Deep warmup set? It's a nice journey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ZhKyOxZns

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by bonestamp2 »

WifeDuringLawti wrote: post #50
bonestamp2 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do both. Digital music is way more convenient to initiate, continue, store and take with you -- so I use that the most. But, it's almost too convenient in some cases to the point where I often don't appreciate what is really happening and the music just becomes background noise. Although it's obviously possible, I rarely use digital music to sit and listen to an entire album anymore. On the other hand, when I liste…

I think it's more likely your age group. When you were young listening to tapes on your parents' speakers, didn't it seem to you that kids and teens were much more into music than most adults? I'm 20, I grew up listening to albums on YouTube, never owned a CD, tape, or record. But my experience is and was still exactly what you describe. My friends and I have countdowns on our phones ticking down the days to eagerly-…

> I think it's more likely your age group.

I agree, that's certainly part of it and I'm happy to hear that young people are still obsessed about music. I'm not suggesting you need physical media to do it, but I am saying the medium has changed things to some degree.

Back then, if we wanted a mix tape, we'd have to mix it. Now, spotify generates five new ones each day for each of us, or we can request a new one on the fly for any genre, mood, artist, etc. So, it makes me wonder how these tools have changed the way young people today consume music. For example, how much of your digital listening is to entire albums start to finish vs some kind of mix/random play? What are you doing (if anything) while you listen to a complete album? Are you buying albums specifically or listening to them on a subscription service?

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by ahartmetz »

timthorn wrote: post #45
Hamuko wrote: post #24

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No, manual transmissions are a clear loser when it comes to responsiveness. You have to manually disengage the clutch, manually change the gear and manually engage the clutch. For comparison, the dual clutch transmission in the Nissan GT-R can shift in 0.15 seconds and that's a 10+ year old car. The ZF 8HP, which is a conventional torque converter transmission used for example in the new BMW M5, is apparently able to…

But you can anticipate the correct gear from the road, rather than having to wait for the transmission to respond to a call from the engine. Going into a curve, you can set a manual gearbox up before you get there so you have the torque to pull the car all the way around, rather than finding the car losing power halfway around.

The ideal combination would obviously be a manually triggered automatic (ideally dual clutch - the torque converter also adds to the mushy feel). But not like in my parents' B-class (a real old people's vehicle) with dual clutch, which takes what feels like over a second to respond to manual inputs. Shifting back a few gears (out of seven) for engine braking is an exercise in frustration.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by mlang23 »

eganist wrote: post #2

I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

If you don't hear the difference, I am afraid I don't quite know how to answer your question. From a hobbyist-producing viewpoint, I tried both: digital and analog producing. While digital is very convenient, it tends to sound hollow and empty without a lot of tr5icks or professionally-written plugins. If you power on your favourite analog synth, it basically instantly sounds like something. However, if you don't hear that difference yourself, I am at a loss how to explain it to you. As a listener, I have the same feeling. Digital productions can be very sophisticated these days, but if I listen closely, I almost hear the bits.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by mlang23 »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #52
WifeDuringLawti wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's more likely your age group. When you were young listening to tapes on your parents' speakers, didn't it seem to you that kids and teens were much more into music than most adults? I'm 20, I grew up listening to albums on YouTube, never owned a CD, tape, or record. But my experience is and was still exactly what you describe. My friends and I have countdowns on our phones ticking down the days to eagerly-…

> I think it's more likely your age group. I agree, that's certainly part of it and I'm happy to hear that young people are still obsessed about music. I'm not suggesting you need physical media to do it, but I am saying the medium has changed things to some degree. Back then, if we wanted a mix tape, we'd have to mix it. Now, spotify generates five new ones each day for each of us, or we can request a new one on the…

When I tried spotify a few years ago, it was exactly this aspect that totally failed my expectations. I wanted a service like Spotify as a replacement for genre radio. I wanted something that somehow figures out my tastes, and generates a mix for me. In my experience, this totally fails unless you happen to like the most commercial pop music available. Whenever I tried to coax it to play some alternative and undergroundy music, it ended up playing the most commercial nonsense after 2 or 3 tracks. I haven't tried a single streaming service since, because I dont feel I want to be poisoned by the most empty and stupid music in existance.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by mlang23 »

kortilla wrote: post #33
jakobegger wrote: post #31

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I hate everything about CDs. The flimsy jewel cases that break all the time, the tiny artwork, how easily CDs scratch, how choosing a song requires clicking stupid buttons, the delay after inserting CDs, the high pitched whine of the motor, the sound of the stepper motor as it moves the laser... When I listen to music, I want to slow down and relax, and taking a record out of the sleeve is just so much nicer than fid…

I mean it can’t possibly be about CD issues because that’s trivially solved by using a digital music player. I can see the argument about the giant album art making it more of a ritual, but all of the CD complaints sound like lame justifications IMO.

Why do you feel the parent needs to justify their preferences of vinyl over CDs?

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by cormacrelf »

basicplus2 wrote: post #43
eganist wrote: post #2

I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

The microphones faithfully follow the soundwaves.. the A class amplifiers faithfully follow the sound waves.. the cutting needle faithfully follows the sound waves... the grooves in the record faithfully follow the soundwaves.. the needle on the record faithfully follow the soundwaves.. the speakers faithfully follow the sound waves... the soundwaves faithfully follow the soundwaves... Even with a crackle and pop, yo…

Only one item on your list faithfully follows the soundwaves. The rest are inaccurate in their own unique way. Microphones throw out sound you don't want. The entire cutting needle thing has some pretty fundamental accuracy limits. The record player introduces all kinds of distortion, my favourite being the 'wow' of a motor turning at an inconsistent speed, causing minor fluctuations in pitch. The speakers, if they were actually accurate, would make the flaws in most recorded music really obvious (which is why those speakers never make it outside recording studios/aren't marketed to consumers). Not even the soundwaves do, if you're in a room.

You missed the point of vinyl, which is that the inaccuracy sounds good. Digital inaccuracy, like what you get out of most crappy builtin DACs, doesn't sound good. If you have to have inaccuracy, which you do, vinyl folks prefer the vinyl kind. It doesn't bring you closer to the original sound, it just sounds old, and old must be closer to the past, right? But it sounds better, so you are right to enjoy it.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by bonestamp2 »

mlang23 wrote: post #56
bonestamp2 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it's more likely your age group. I agree, that's certainly part of it and I'm happy to hear that young people are still obsessed about music. I'm not suggesting you need physical media to do it, but I am saying the medium has changed things to some degree. Back then, if we wanted a mix tape, we'd have to mix it. Now, spotify generates five new ones each day for each of us, or we can request a new one on the…

When I tried spotify a few years ago, it was exactly this aspect that totally failed my expectations. I wanted a service like Spotify as a replacement for genre radio. I wanted something that somehow figures out my tastes, and generates a mix for me. In my experience, this totally fails unless you happen to like the most commercial pop music available. Whenever I tried to coax it to play some alternative and undergro…

I had this problem with Apple Music and Pandora, but Spotify worked for me. I had to skip a lot of stuff in the beginning, but it got way better than any other service I've used. I assume skipping is just training the AI on what you don't like (and like) so it takes some time.

Re: Manufacturing plant fire threatens worldwide vinyl record supply

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Post by grokys »

eganist wrote: post #2

I haven't found an objective explanation for why some populations prefer vinyl analog over any digital renditions of a sound. Can anyone share some insight? (I've listened to both, and the description of vinyl or even analog sound as being generally "warmer" never resonated with me.)

Maybe this is pretentious, but to say vinyl sounds "better" or "warmer" is missing the point for me. IMO one thing that records have is "personality". Those clicks and cracks of the old records I found for £2 in a jumble sale, and their stained jackets that have been passed around since the 1950s become part of the listening experience. You're connecting with the history of the music in some way.

The pure sound of those crackles are important to more modern music too. Think about how many modern records add record noise to add atmosphere. Burial's Untrue or Portishead's Dummy wouldn't sound the same without them.

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