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Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. And it's not like Russians, Chinese and generally people in countries whose governments are in the habit of censoring the internet aren't used to using Tor and/or VPNs to dodge censorship.
Telegram is blocked in Russia, but WhatsApp still works. Why?
Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. And it's not like Russians, Chinese and generally people in countries whose governments are in the habit of censoring the internet aren't used to using Tor and/or VPNs to dodge censorship.
>Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. In context of 5/9/14+ eyes, the nomenclature of solid advertising might differ from your interpretation, where perceptions matter ─ ranging from honeypots, compromised Tor exit nodes to dubious VPN providers, absence of warrant canaries to flawed encryption products etc. It is probably best to exercise caution and remain sceptical, rather tha…
Of course there are flawed VPNs and honeypot Tor nodes out there. The fight to track people and censor information is ongoing 24/7 around the globe.
Random event or not, if a government feels that it has to plug a leak as opposed to pwning/backdooring it then to me this means they chose the lesser evil and they really cannot crack ProtonMail. If that's indeed the case then this sends the message to me that I'd like my email to be better protected and I might switch away from GMail.
Whether there is a bigger game involved though, I can't know. Can you?
Many commenters seem to miss the most important point here. If users from Russia can't access ProtonMail - that's not that much of a deal. But if mail from ProtonMail stops reaching Russian email addresses - @mail.ru, @yandex.ru are as common in Russia as @gmail.com - that's a big problem for ProtonMail and its users.
That is probably more concerning, although ProtonMail is not something I typically see outside of the HN crowd and similar. I met only one total stranger who gave me a ProtonMail email address.
If you want to actually own your email address, it should be on your own domain. Then you can change your mail provider without changing your primary email address.
"Roskomnadzor said that ProtonMail had refused to provide Russian authorities with information on the owners of email accounts allegedly associated with fake bomb threats." I know ProtonMail is denying they got requests but hopefully this is a good advertisement for their willingness to protect individuals.
And if those bomb threats proved right and people get killed? Would you still praise Proton for not working with Law enforcement?
There exist principles, which are action guiding rules. We use principles to keep ourselves from being swayed away from certain behaviors which we believe hold value. For example, many martial institutions hold some variant of the "death before dishonor" principle; this rule basically implies that you will choose to die before fleeing battle. Even though there are many pressures to change behavior, which may be VERY great in the moment, holding to your principles will allow you to lead a structured life guided by rules that you care about.
Corporations and business entities can also implement principles (to greater or lesser effect); ProtonMail enacts a principle of not sharing customer data. Thousands of companies hold to this same principle, which keeps honest business able to occur. Imagine if every company on Earth decided that they could sell any and all customer data. Banks selling stats on your income to car salesmen, Walgreens selling embarrassing photos of you too the press, etc. The world would be a fucking madhouse, commerce would break down, and millions would die as societies collapsed. A few lives that may or may not expire due to ProtonMail holding to their principles is nothing, comparatively. It would happen one way or another, just with a different email service.
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That was a lot of effort for such an odd, empty, dialogue.
Do you agree with me about what would happen in a case like this, and just think I've explained it badly? Or do you disagree with my actual reasoning, and if so, what do you think would happen instead?
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> Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. ... if you live in Russia.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted: just because ProtonMail allegedly refused to cooperate with Russia, it doesn't mean they must act similarly when the request comes from a nation that can leverege more diplomatic pressure.
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Do you agree with me about what would happen in a case like this, and just think I've explained it badly? Or do you disagree with my actual reasoning, and if so, what do you think would happen instead?
Ya know, therapy is actually relatively cheap now a days.
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Pretty much, but that isn’t the idea behind this block. Someone used ProtonMail to send a lot of different bomb threats to the police. Because of this block police now have some legal ground to ignore those threats.
Knowing how often Kremlin retreats to shaping public perception through theatrics, it's easy to think of the bomb threats as an inside job.
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> Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. ... if you live in Russia.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted: just because ProtonMail allegedly refused to cooperate with Russia, it doesn't mean they must act similarly when the request comes from a nation that can leverege more diplomatic pressure.
Many commenters seem to miss the most important point here. If users from Russia can't access ProtonMail - that's not that much of a deal. But if mail from ProtonMail stops reaching Russian email addresses - @mail.ru, @yandex.ru are as common in Russia as @gmail.com - that's a big problem for ProtonMail and its users.